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Default Aes Sedai-Wise Ones: Women Between Two Worlds.

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Originally Posted by Zombie Sammael View Post
And of course, later in the book he succeeds with both Sashalle and Ronaille, too.

Now, very little has been made of these three other than that they've been healed, and we've generally assumed it was done just to show that Flinn could do it and that a woman healed by a man would go back to full strength.
It's shows that both genders need each other, to make the most of their abilities. A counter example, is Nynaeve's healing of Leane and Siuan, versus Nynaeve's healing of Logain. Damer Flinn's healing of Sashalle gives a good clue, that both genders of channelers need each other.

It matter's for Valan Luca storyline in AMoL book, in my judgment. Why? There are clues that Valan Luca was severed in the past. If the Dragon is to help re-seal the Bore, perhaps channeling might be needed? (Other alternatives exist too: Dreaming, abandoning one World for another).

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Originally Posted by Zombie Sammael View Post
And of course, later in the book he succeeds with both Sashalle and Ronaille, too.

Now, very little has been made of these three other than that they've been healed, and we've generally assumed it was done just to show that Flinn could do it and that a woman healed by a man would go back to full strength.
That's not exactly true, as Sashalle Anderly is acting like an full Aiel Wise One, since being healing by Damer Flinn.

It's a big deal, because Samitsu Tamagowa cannot get Sashalle Anderly to obey Aes Sedai customs. (See CoT book, Prologue "Glimmers of the Pattern".) Why? Because Sashalle Anderly has learned lessons Egwene al'Vere has NOT FULLY LEARNED as an Apprentice. Sashalle Anderly has become a Wise One, meanwhile Egwene al'Vere has not become a Wise One yet.

Sashalle Anderly healing has placed her in an unique position, one of three individuals who are both full Aes Sedai and Wise Ones. The Three Oaths did not make one an Aes Sedai in the Second Age, nor in the early history of the White Tower.


When Sashalle fingers her necklace, she is recalling the difference between Aiel AND Wise Ones… and what her identity is now.
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Fingering her Aiel necklace, Sashalle seemed unaware that Samitsu had any grievance, unaware of Samitsu’s scrutiny. “This may be nothing, or it may warrant looking into,” she said, “but Corgaide was only reporting what she heard. If we want to learn anything, we must go and see for ourselves.” Without another word, she gathered her skirts and started out of the apartments, leaving Samitsu only a choice between following or remaining behind. It was intolerable! Yet remaining was unthinkable.


Crossroads of Twilight, Prologue "Glimmers of the Pattern" -- Samitsu point of view; with Sashalle in Cairhien

Sashalle chooses to follow Aiel Customs rather than Aes Sedai customs:

Status gained by Will and Voice (merit trait); rather than Status gained by Level of Strength in Saidar (in-born trait).

Necklaces are a sign of Office or Status, among the Aiel Peoples. It's similar to necklaces among Majors, Governors, Rulers among Randlanders. It's what both Bran al'Vere, Matrim Cauthon necklaces and Corgaide's heavy silvery ring of long keys at her waist all signify: status, office, adulthood, a degree of independence.
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What really discomfited her, though, was the woman with her hair in ringlets to her shoulders standing in the middle of the carpet, fists on her hips, a belligerent set to her chin, and a frown narrowing her blue eyes. Sashalle wore the Great Serpent ring, of course, on her right hand, but also an Aiel necklace and bracelet, fat beads of silver and ivory intricately worked and carved, gaudy against her high-necked dress of brown wool, which was plain if fine and well cut. Not crude pieces, certainly, but . . . flamboyant, and hardly the sort a sister would wear. The oddity of that jewelry might hold the key to much, if Samitsu could ever find the reason behind it. The Wise Ones, especially Sorilea, looked at her as if she were a fool for not knowing without asking, and refused to be bothered with answering. They did that all too often. Most especially Sorilea. Samitsu was unused to being thought a fool, and she disliked it immensely.


Crossroads of Twilight, Prologue "Glimmers of the Pattern" -- Samitsu point of view; with Sashalle in Cairhien

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However, it occurred to me this morning that here we have three AS, apparently sworn to Rand, none of whom are bound by the Three Oaths, and no-one has realised. It would be terrible if one of them were black, or even if one of them merely decided their loyalties lay in a direction other than Rand (for example, Egwene and the Tower), and did something about it. They're barely mentioned again as far as I can tell from the encyclopedia, but I'm inclined to think that everything happens, for some reason...
Note the Encyclopedia is not up to date, about Samitsu or Sashalle Anderly doings as of Towers of Midnight book IRC.

Who did you think Sorilea will go to, if she has a question to ask about how the White Tower customs operate? If I was her, I'd ask the three Wise Ones, who are also Aes Sedai.
  1. Sashalle Anderly (Red Ajah)
  2. Ronaille Vevanios
  3. Irgain Fatamed
If need be Sorilea can force Egwene al'Vere stubborn hand, in any number of ways.

These three Aes Sedai-Wise One's are akin to the three Aes Sedai-Sea Folk sisters, they each have dirt on the White Tower as an institution.

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