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"STOP stopstopstopstopstop. God DAMMIT, Mat!! If you keep coming in flat on that high C, we can NOT resolve the chord and the Dark One wins. Do you understand? Grab your balls....do SOMEfugginthing, but HIT THAT HIGH C. Ok. Lets try it again..."
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Hopefully there would be some sweet dance moves too. That would make Elayne actually useful for a change.
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"STOP stopstopstopstopstop. God DAMMIT, Mat!! If you keep coming in flat on that high C, we can NOT resolve the chord and the Dark One wins. Do you understand? Grab your balls....do SOMEfugginthing, but HIT THAT HIGH C. Ok. Lets try it again..."
Rand could always goose him at just the right moment. Or grab his balls, for that matter....
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However peace and the convenant the aiel and the tinkers have forgotten, is far more important than food. If Rand doesn't realize that, then two things are sure: (a) he doesn't have the same personality as LT (b) He won't win against the shadow.
This. This exactly. It's not just about the mundane, quantifiable problems like creating food. Those are things that could easily be anticipated, and we know from Verin that the true nature of the battle against the DO is going to be something unexpected.

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Order is too obviously something to do with the Seanchan. Belief...Linda thinks it will be the Way of the Leaf, and I can see it, but I think most importantly the people need to believe in Rand rather than just hoping he will get on with saving the world and then dying.
This is a perfectly straightforward and logical interpretation, which is why it's going to be wrong. Unexpected, remember? Harid Fel was a philosopher, not an administrator. He was barely even aware of things like troop morale and manufacturing infrastructure and all the other reasons that "belief and order" would help strengthen a nation's military and boost civilian productivity. His area of expertise was the nature of the Pattern, and it stands to reason that his final message relates to the nature of the Pattern. We've already seen through Shadar Logoth that a large concentration of negative emotions like paranoia, with the addition of Mordeth's mysterious catalyst, can warp reality for eons to come. I think that positive emotions like belief, order, dedication, and love will end up having their own power to affect reality using Rand, Mat, and Perrin's super-ta'veren field as a catalyst.

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How is that different from what I said? He needs the people to actually believe in him; it's an important theme of the series, not a red herring. Same with the Seanchan. That is the only reason they are actually needed. I'm not saying that the Way of the Leaf won't play a role, or seed-singing.
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Fair enough... I thought you meant that the Seanchan would supply order through their superior administrative capabilities and provide much-needed logistical support (which they probably will, but that's not the kind of order Fel was talking about).
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We do know that by the end of TGS Rand had concluded that Callandor was the correct tool to use and not the Choedan Kal.

Callandor's very shape tells us that it is not to be used as sword.

In order to use Callandor properly, Rand, or its user, must have two female channelers to act as buffers. This suggests that it has always required a joint use of both sides of the OP to succeed.

Brute force will not be the final answer to defeating the DO. Perhaps some of his minions will require force in order for them to be cleared out of the way just like other pieces of rubble.

It seems evident that Moridin must be defeated prior to any engagement to seal the Bore.

Mome of this is new, I know, but I felt that some type of summary would be helpful.
 


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