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Aginor studied how fades travel, and failed to figure it out. One would assume that he had considered the TP as an ingredient, and one would also assume that he had tried to test that.
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Aginor studied how fades travel, and failed to figure it out. One would assume that he had considered the TP as an ingredient, and one would also assume that he had tried to test that.
Ive always thought that the percentage of Fade throwback to human stock fits around the percentage of channelers should that be a human population instead. They may not be able to utilize the one power directly but it has always made sense to me that Fade's are the channeler gene coming out in the human-stock gene pool of the trollocks.
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I thought that too, but IIRC the idea was nixed by RJ. Lemme see if I can find the quote.

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Myrddraal are not Trollocs who can channel. Their powers are totally independent from the One Power. They really are just throwbacks to the human stock. Harriet added that there are also animal throwbacks, but they just die.
Testing for the TP would be hard, if not impossible right? Aside from asking the Dark One if Myrdraal use it, I really don't think you could get an answer. It's not TP in the traditional sense though, that much is certain. Semerhage proved that one.

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I thought that too, but IIRC the idea was nixed by RJ. Lemme see if I can find the quote.
lol yeah that pretty much killed that idea. TP was used in their creation so I guess it lies along that path. Thanks for the quote.
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I noticed this little quote as yet overlooked in this thread when I brought my copy of TEOTW to loan to a co-worker:

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Tossing back his black cloak, Elan Morin flexed his hands. "A pity for you," he mused, "that one of your Sisters is not here. I was never very skilled at Healing, and I follow a different power now. But even one of them could only give you a few lucid minutes, if you did not destroy her first. What I can do will serve as well, for my purposes." His sudden smile was cruel. "But I fear Shai'tan's healing is different from the sort you know. Be healed, Lews Therin!" He extended his hands, and the light dimmed as if a shadow had been laid across the sun.
It was kind of conspicuous, and maybe intentional, maybe accidental. Perhaps to conceal the darkness, the TP channeler has to invert his/her weave.
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It could also be that the DO was looking in on what was going on. After all, Ishamael had just named him, and that presumably draws his attention.
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My read on it - my inclination and apparently others to tie the dark aura to Rand's channeling the TP looks to be on target (although, this connection is pretty...obvious as it comes about immediately after he channels it...so not a huge accomplishment by any means to connect the two.) However, while I like to make seemingly thin connections between events and in most cases, this connection that I made and that HBFFerreira appears to have made two days prior, from Brandon's response, would seem to also be on target.
It's also a connection that some Taimandred supporters made. Not saying they were right, just that there were people who did claim Taim used the TP in LoC.

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Although, not a terribly huge stretch either - Taim having channeled the True Power. However, it would suggest it came prior to Taim entering that room - which now makes me want to go back and read prior to it to see if we are shown that moment, without realizing it. Something happening that couldn't be or wasn't detected (I can just hear Taim Killed Asmodean theorists now ).
Lol. Who would have guessed with the series winding down that he'd be boldly trying to wake people up to Taim. Funny that.
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I am also responding to Tam's statement that Taim has used the TP.

I was under the impression that only Shamael/Moridin can use the TP at this time. We have never, IIRC, seen any other DF or Chosen use the TP.

Why would Taim be so favored over all of the others of the Chosen who have survived to this point? I do not believe that he has been so favored.
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The Darkness around Taim isn't noticed until WH, I believe. That has nothing to do with Asmodean, who died in LOC.

It does however show that Taim is more connected and appreciated in the Dark than the common wisdom believes.

"Why would Taim be so favored over all of the others of the Chosen who have survived to this point?" - 4A

Why wouldn't he? He controls the largest force of male channelers dedicated to the Dark with Rand's permission. He's ultimately been able to do what no other Chosen has. So why not favor Taim when Moghedien claims 29 others had been granted the right to use the TP before [ACOS 25]. It's not like the Dark One won't grant the right to use the TP to more people than just his favorites. After all, we must now also assume that he has granted Rand that right. And he's not even a Darkfriend.
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Why would Taim be so favored over all of the others of the Chosen who have survived to this point? I do not believe that he has been so favored.
Throughout most of the series, those other Forsaken most likely also could have used the TP, if they had wanted to.
But they were well aware of the pitfalls, and that is why they preferred other options.

Taim may not have been informed of the dangers of the use of the TP. And he may have only used it in the period before it was reserved for Moridin only.

So there does not seem to be any reason to consider this aspect of it strange at all. I'm not convinced Taim ever used it, but the "the Forsaken weren't allowed to, so why would Taim" argument holds no water. It simply fails because of the timing of things.
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Some potential questions - does the Pattern fix the rip created every time Moridin uses the true power to travel? What was unique about what Mierin and her fellow researchers did that prevented the Pattern from fixing the Bore on it's own? (ok, so he will RAFO that one).[/QUOTE]

Are there diff.gateways? Depending on what you want to do?(Travel,Skim, enter TAR in the flesh)Would you use a diff. gateway to get to outside of pattern vacuole that Chosen had a meeting at once? Are some gateways made w/ only True Power as opposed to One Power? Does it matter which Power you use? Is there a diff. between nice uniform(open then close)Gate as opposed to a "rip"? Thank You
 


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