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Since Taim didn't show up for the meeting, I would say thats the biggest point that he's not Forsaken. If he was, there was no way he would miss that meeting. We saw the consequences of others who had spurned a Moridin invitation.


But that doesn't answer my question Davian. What do you feel would make someone a Forsaken?
Moridin might not want the original Forsaken to know there's a new one...or at least not know specifically who the new one is.


A couple things make a Forsaken per the Dark One and RJ:

1. The ability to order Trollocs/Fades via their special mark (not the same as Alviarin's mark but along those lines)
2. Immortality via resurrection.
3. Occasional access to True Power
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Taim may have had access to the True Power, hence the dark aura around him. But there's been nothing in the text to suggest he believes he will be resurrected by the Dark One or that he can control Myrddraal. At this point, we can't say he's anything other than an alleged darkfriend channeler.
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When people here refer to "new" Forsaken, what qualities are they looking for?
I think that "Forsaken" here is a red herring. It is the wrong term.

The term that should be used is the one Lanfear used when she explained the issue to Rand: "Chosen to rule the world forever."

A person belongs to the Chosen if he has been chosen to be part of that group by the DO. That's it. So if the DO decides that Taim is Chosen, then he is, whether or not anyone else knows about it. If the DO has not made that decision, then Taim is not Chosen, not even if he has been granted access to the TP.
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I would hope that all Randlanders have access to TP.
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You mean the One Power? Because the True Power obviously comes from the Dark One.


Edit: Nevermind, it was a joke. Its a monday and I'm freaking dead from 3.5 hrs sleep.
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By far the bulk of all Atha'an Miere trade was in packets of three sea shells, harvested by diving teams on Tremalking. This is, of course, why the demise of the Amayar is such a tragedy.
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Default Something I noticed on my re-read re:Taim as darkfriend

This doesn't prove Taim is or was elevated to Chosen, but it could be evidence against the idea that Taim was turned after LOC, and perhaps evidence supporting the idea that Taim was in cahoots with Rahvin:

First we have Lord Elegar, who's found his dull Darkfriend life turned upside down as he's become a thrall to the Chosen:
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That done, he released Elegar’s mind as well. Lord Elegar. A minor noble, but faithful to his vows. He licked his thin lips nervously and glanced at the woman, then went immediately to one knee before Rahvin. Friends of the Dark—Darkfriends they were called, now—had begun learning just how strictly they would be kept to their vows now that Rahvin and the others were freed.
Elegar re-appears in LOC, as he and Gaebril's other toadies remain in the palace at Caemlyn after Rahvin's death. Then Rand mentions that Sammael is still out there.
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A thump made him look over his shoulder. Arymilla lay in a heap on the paving stones. Karind was kneeling to pull her skirts down over her ankles and chafe her wrists. Elegar swayed as though he might join Arymilla in a moment, and neither Nasin nor Elenia appeared in much better state. Most of the rest looked ready to sick up. Mention of the Forsaken could do that, especially since Rand had told them that Lord Gaebril really had been Rahvin.
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Elegar staggered back among the columns and bent over, retching loudly.
Perhaps it's just a show, or perhaps Elegar is genuinely revolted by the idea of a man channeling, as many are, despite having worked for Rahvin. Or maybe Elegar recognizes the name of another Darkfriend, ranking high above him – possibly one he's already met – and is mourning the incipient loss of his freedom.
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