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Old 11-03-2010, 11:52 AM
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Default The Faces of Nakomi

Linda and I were geeked out on this one day and threw out a bunch of possibilities, which can now be discussed openly. Feel free to discuss support or dispute all of them. Ever since that initial list, I've added the variety of ideas people have had as we've discussed her possible identity.

Nakomi as Wise One
I already pretty much made my initial case in this thread.

Nakomi as Verin
Terez made her case here: http://www.theoryland.com/theories.p...=144&theo=2771

Nakomi as Marty McFly - Future Aviendha
Time traveling...I don't like the idea, because it would be a lame deus ex machina with so many other viables options.

Nakomi as Ancestor/Ghost
Considering the ghosts and merging of Mirror Worlds, it is possible we are seeing a PLE where the Wheel is able to take advantage of the fraying of the Pattern and merging of Past/Present/Future to guide Aviendha.

Nakomi as Bubble of Good
We have seen Bubbles of Evil, so why not a Bubble of Good?

Nakomi as Lanfear or Other Forsaken
Considering Lanfear's love of the dramatic and her AoL knowledge of the Aiel, following Aviendha and messing with her mind before she goes to Rhuidean could add a more sinister meaning to what she decides. There is a Daughter of the Moon reference to the name Nokomis: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokomis, which could apply to many of these ideas.

Nakomi as Dark Wise One
We haven't seen it, although it has been suggested most recently by Terez in her Sorilea is a Darkfriend. I'm not suggesting Nakomi is Sorilea. Instead, a Wise One unknown to us that knows of Aviendha's importance, maybe as a factor of Dark Prophecies and she was told to intervene.

Nakomi as Member of Jenn Aiel
Hidden group of Jenn Aiel meant to bring back The Way of the Leaf.

Nakomi as Rhuidean Aes Sedai from AoL
An Aes Sedai knowing she would be needed at the end of the Third Age, one with Foretelling or a Dreamer, has been living in a world where for every one year that passes twenty years in this world passes, waiting to return to help the Aiel find purpose after the Last Battle (ok, it's way out there, but had to mention it.)

Nakomi as Blood Vision / Vivid Dream
The name Nakomi is related to the concept of a grandmother. Aviendha remarks on how familiar the food is. Is it possible this is some kind of Blood Vision akin to Blood Memories?

Nakomi as Hero of the Horn
Hero breaks precepts and talks to Aviendha in T'A'R.

Nakomi as Mother Figure
Taken directly from Nokomis: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokomis. Of course, this could mean that she is a "mother" figure, either literal or figurative.

Linda (and anyone else) am I missing any other ideas as to Nakomi's potential identity?

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Time traveling...I don't like the idea, because it would be a lame deus ex machina with so many other viables options.
That one seems shaky at best to me.


I'm leaning towards the Nakomi=Verin theory personally.
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Honestly, I find the Nakomi as Verin to be rather ridiculous.

My initial feeling was that it was someone not friendly - most likely forsaken. But I'm not so sure now. My gut says it's more likely a ghost/spiritual type of visitation, but that really doesn't make much sence to me. In the end, I think it's a big open question.
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Half of what we come up with is ridiculous. Although, I think Verin has a chance because of how long she has been working on all of this stuff. Plus, it's a fun idea.

Although, Nakomi as Wise Ones or Nakomi as Dark/Forsaken I think have the best shots at this point. I should go pull the text in for closer examination, as the text will have to pass the muster on all of these ideas.

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Yup, that was my initial reaction as well, maybe the Jenn Aiel still exist somehow. Would also be really cool if they re-introduced the Way of the Leaf.

Does Verin know how to hide her ability to channel and all the disguise and inverted stuff? If not, this would rule her out.

Lanfear would rather kill Aviendha than mess with her I think...
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Agreed, my initial thought was Jenn Aiel as well.
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that was my initial reaction as well.
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Default Good one - Didn't think of Jenn Aiel

Jenn Aiel Dreamwalker?

It wouldn't make sense that a Jenn Aiel would just happen to show up at that moment without some knowledge of Aviendha.

Can someone give me a quick summary as to if it was the Jenn Aiel, where they have been or why/how they sought her out?
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I'm so sure it's Verin that I don't feel the need to go into detail :P

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An Aes Sedai from the Age of Legends associated with Rhuidean that had the gift of Foretelling/Dreaming and knew the Aiel would be destroyed if not for some intervention. So this Aes Sedai went to a Mirror World where time passed slower waiting for her moment to return.

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Ok, how about this -
It's simply the Wise Ones' doing, a part of the process. They need to be sure she can think for herself and come to reasonable conclusion, they know she will have a big role to play.
In TGS ch.11 Melanie makes Avi think on the future of Aiel, she spends whole paragraphs doing it - "A remnanat of a remnant. He had broken the Aiel as a people. What would become of them?"
Aviendha is told not to Travel straight there so she has time to think, on the way they get 'Nakomi' to ask some more questions to make think some more and check on her state of mind.
Part way through the conversation Aviendha thinks "[Nakomi] did not wear the clothing of a Wise One, but there was something about her..."
And in TGS ch.15 - "Of all the Wise Ones, only she - a former Maiden - could have sneaked up on Aviendha."
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I really like the Marty McFly option - it seems to make a good amount of sense but it would be pretty lame.
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She cryogenically froze^W^W statis boxed herself in the necessary place according to prophecy by Deindre Sedai in order to guide She Who Will Save The Remnant.

Cuz otherwise, yeah, they're extinct.

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Hoid!

But no, I thought "bubble of good" on reading it originally. I was tired with a headache then. Upon re-reading after sleeping, she screams of Verin.

(e) For the Age of Legends Aes Sedai possibility, you might be able to consider vacuoles in addition to Portal Worlds. We know vacuoles were accessible to some of the Aes Sedai and that time flowed radically differently in them. Of course, that doesn't explain potential for vacuoles to break away and/or how the Aes Sedai inside would know it's time to come out, but hey, AoL AS requires serious jumping through hoops anyway.

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It's simply the Wise Ones' doing, a part of the process. They need to be sure she can think for herself and come to reasonable conclusion, they know she will have a big role to play.
In TGS ch.11 Melanie makes Avi think on the future of Aiel, she spends whole paragraphs doing it - "A remnanat of a remnant. He had broken the Aiel as a people. What would become of them?"
Aviendha is told not to Travel straight there so she has time to think, on the way they get 'Nakomi' to ask some more questions to make think some more and check on her state of mind.
Part way through the conversation Aviendha thinks "[Nakomi] did not wear the clothing of a Wise One, but there was something about her..."
And in TGS ch.15 - "Of all the Wise Ones, only she - a former Maiden - could have sneaked up on Aviendha."
Go read this -> http://www.theoryland.com/vbulletin/...ead.php?t=4322. That's the theory I plan to develop. Nice addition with the quote from TGS. I plan to use everything in TDR/TSR/TFoH to create the theory, but that will be a nice addition.
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Do we know who the old lady is that Egwene met the first time she entered TAR? (It could be the same person.)

Has anyone mentioned the fact that in the future the pillars show her Rand bowed to the Empress? Perhaps all she has to do is persuade him not to do that to prevent the future she has seen.

Couldn't Nakomi be one of the Heroes of the Horn who "hooked" her into TAR? Perhaps using a disguise, and perhaps somebody who was involved in setting up the Aiel originally.
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Pretty sure that most think that was Lanfear pushing the girls into a trap. I dont recall if that's ever been confirmed by RJ though.
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Yes, I've mentioned this elsewhere, but this was not actually a problem at the time, and we'll never know if the Seanchan would have actually broken the Peace on that loophole. It was only assumed that they would. We do have reason to suspect that the bowing thing in the Seanchan prophecies was something planted by Ishamael, but I'm not so sure that this was the root problem at all.
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Hero is possible...assuming they can find dreams. Would be a useful question: Can Heroes awaiting rebirth in T'A'R find dreams?
 


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