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LOL, you are making me regret I wasn't there.
Can't you already post something of that interesting stuff
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I also filmed the "official" Q&A session so I will see if I can post that at some point (I have never posted anything on youtube, so you might not get the movie until this weekend) .
I've come home one hour ago

I got the presentation/reading part too on video, I'll see if I can upload it too

And yes, it *was* awesome

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well, concerning the topics we discussed. Well, we talked about the movies, the books, the writing process among other things.

So, one of the questions that I asked was about why clouds are breaking above Caemlyn, the Fisher King effect (the dragon is one with the land...), etc, etc, etc
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We had a great time! This was an awesome signing with over 100 people.

I'm working on the report (its currently about 2 single-spaced pages of word document or so). We learned some very interesting stuff. I also filmed the "official" Q&A session so I will see if I can post that at some point (I have never posted anything on youtube, so you might not get the movie until this weekend) .
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well, for instance, there is no cloud in the skies above Avi, Elayne and Min's heads.
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... and report is now 4 pages

Whats the best way to include pictures in the post?
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To include pictures, you could use a free service to host them (like flickr) and then you can use the insert image icon to include them with the url of the image.

Let me know if that works - hoping for some great HCFF Q&A
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OK, here goes... If anyone else has pictures from the signing, please post them also. Thanks to Cuthbert 19 for sending me his pictures.

In case the pictures get deleted from imagehost, I also put them up on a dragonmount gallery here:
http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/ga...igning-photos/

Signing Report Paris - Major spoiler warnings

The signing was a great event with over 100 people present. Brandon was very happy with it. The bookstore people were very nice and had bought some drinks for everyone.

Brandon's wife Emily sent me an email when they got to Paris and they met me in a café beforehand as a thank you for helping set up the book signing. Brandon signed my books and drew a dead narg for me because I told him that I am on theoryland and dragonmount and he had done things like this for other theorylanders (See terez's dead asmodean drawing).

Then we went over to the bookstore.
Here's a picture of the store window with lots of WOT books:


... and the posters they put up


Brandon began by reading Lan's part of the prologue with great enthusiasm:



Then came the questions & answers session (see detailed description below, videos are also coming).

I met up with cuthbert and we also talked with some other enthusiastic fans met at the signing, one of which I convinced to buy way of kings. During the line, we read Julien's list of questions deciding which one or two he should ask if brandon only had time to answer one and speculated about what the answers might be.

Here's a picture of us with the list of questions:


We intentionally placed ourselves at the very back of the line because both cuthbert and Julien had a very big sack of books, and this gave us more time to talk about our questions and hang out near the diet coke . It took about 2 hours to get through the line, which was fine with us!

Here's a picture of people in line (near the end):


... and Brandon signing books:


When we got to the front of the line, we asked our questions and Cuthbert identified himself as the guy who (almost) found the venice clue during the great hunt (it was lost, but brandon sent him a copy of it + another code) who flew to paris just for the signing. There's a great picture of them at the signing table with the clues:


Afterwards, the bookstore was planning to take brandon and emily to dinner but as only one person from the bookstore was coming, Brandon invited Federico, Julien, 2 other fans and I who had waited at the back of the line to come along too which was a very fun experience and we got to ask more questions (yay).


Brandon and Emily opening magic cards from Federico:


The rare card in Brandon's pack (I think this is the one he had Federico sign):


Group picture at dinner:


Please note that here were some topics that brandon talked about at the signing and also later, so I may have put some things he said later into the description of his answer to the question at the signing to have everything on the same theme in one spot.

This was a really great time and I want to thank Brandon, Emily, the bookstore and everyone who came! For those who were there, let us know who you were and if you remember anything I didn't metnion here or got a question in line that I didn't hear.

Signing Q&A Video 1:
Sorry about the shaky beginning, it gets better after about a minute:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pY8DNS9q_6U

Signing Q&A Video 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_f8HUMHHDhY

Video 3 and final:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSOzUje84ac

Signing Q&A summary:

There were some funny moments like when someone asked what would be the rôle of the prince of the ravens and brandon answered it with a rafo on the prince of the raisins. Much laughter ensued and he told us about the typo maria found in the book about «*butt trollocss*»...

Another question was how much of the books was him and how much was RJ. He said that for AMOL, TGS and TOM, he had about 200 000 words of written material including notes dedicated to that story . He also had dictations dedicated to the AMOL material + dictations and the other general notes for the series. He made the parable of someone who has pieces of a ming vase for which he had some pieces but others are missing and he had to put it all back together to make a whole. He did say that for this book, more of Mat was RJ and more of Perrin was him. I think that he has done a really great job.

Someone asked if he would do the prequels and outriggers. He said its harriet's decision but he'd seen a lot of series being continued after they probably should have stopped and he doesn't want that to happen to the wheel of time. TOR wants very much for brandon to do more WOT books after the end and also continue his own books. Brandon thinks that the easiest place for them to stop doing additional WOT material is after AMOL and the encyclopedia are done – if the prequels get written, he worries that there would be more demand for the outriggers and if the outriggers got written, demand for more books. He mentionned that he would say yes if harriet asked him to do the prequels and outriggers but would say no to any further material after that. He has advised that they stop after AMOL and the encyclopedia. However, he did say that he thinks that the outriggers and prequels would be great books if they were written, which makes me really want to read them. He has said previously that if there were one or the other that he'd rather do the prequels but TOR wants the outriggers more.

He mentionned that doing TOM and rewriting/editing way of kings the same year was quite intense in terms of time. He is still committed to getting books out quickly and regularly, but WOK and TOM in one year was more than he wants to do on a regular basis.
He is going to take 3 months to reread the series and plans to have AMOL done by end 2011 for a release in early 2012.

Someone else asked if Rand's internal state of affairs was affecting the world around him. Brandon said there are 2 things going on – ta'veren and the fisher king prophecy which says the dragon is tied directly to the land. He says it seems to Rand that more bad stuff was happening in TGS but that this could be either just rand's perception or what is really going on. We should remember that ta'veren is supposed to be 50/50 – an extra equal amount of good and bad going on. He would not tell us at this point whether there was really more bad stuff happening in TGS or whether its rand's perception as there was purposefully very few viewpoints from rand himself in TOM Like the 3rd book Dragon Reborn, TOM is meant to step away from rand and view him from the viewpoints of others.
Someone also asked if Rand's ta'veren nature would affect people on the other side of an open gateway. Brandon said that the pattern considers that Rand is where he is and not on the other side of the gateway, so he would not affect a place just by having a gateway open there and not actually being there.

Someone asked how the trollocs are getting enough food in the blight, they can't just eat eachother right? Brandon said that the number of trollocs in the blight currently is unsutainable over a long period of time but we should remember that the shadow does has access to channellers that can create gateways (implied: as a means to bring food TO the trollocs).

Someone asked if the seanchan taking over the entire world would be a victory for the light or the dark. Brandon said it would be a victory for the light because the dark one would not have won. He said that the forsaken have different visions of what a victory for the dark would mean. Ishamael thinks it will mean the destruction of everything and the end of time whereas Graendal thinks that he will remake the world.

Otherwise, many of the q&a questions were things brandon had answered previously such as why were the books split into 3...

Other Q&A summary

This part is from the un-official q&a during dinner and the questions I asked brandon from before the signing.

I asked if he could confirm definitively that cyndane is lanfear and end of story since there were still some people saying maybe cyndane isn't lanfear. He said that anything regarding lanfear is rafo at this point because there is likely to be information about that in the next book and there are hints about what is going on with her in towers of midnight.

We discussed the gholam, if someone had pushed it through a gateway, would it have just died? Brandon said that gholam CAN go THROUGH gateways (from one place to another). Gholam are shadowspawn of a more perfected kind. It would have been way too easy to kill if you just needed to shove it through a gateway (to another place). However, falling through the skimming gateway for a few minutes did kill the gholam and it is really dead and its not going to show up again. This makes me wonder now if one of rand/logain's deathgates would have killed it but I didn't think to ask at the time.

I also asked about how asmodean was killed now that we know graendal was «*responsible*» for his death. Brandon said that when he arrived at Harriet's and asked to see the ending and got the pile of robert jordan's notes including the ending, on top of that pile was a message from a fan in the form of a dialogue between a sherlock holmes character and a watson character with a note from RJ saying «*this is right*». Emily asked if it was from Matt Hatch and brandon didn't think it was. He said that he can probably give send me that message so we know exactly what RJ said «*this is right*» to.

This is apparently all of the information that is available from RJ himself about the actual method of asmodean's murder. In Brandon's vision of the story, he imagines Graendal killed asmodean (did the deed herself) with balefire, but apparently this is not in the notes. So its possible that it could have been done by another kind of weave and we are free to speculate on that.

I then asked about the RJ quote where he said that the place and the method of asmodean's killer both mean that he couldn't come back. Brandon said this was also a RAFO as he couldn't tell us why the place was important at this point without giving something away. He seemed to know something about this reason (there is probably information about why someone killed in the place asmodean was couldn't be brought back by the DO). I asked if whether "where" referred to the city of Caemlyn or something else and this was also a RAFO.

He also said that RJ's answer to WSB "The Dark One couldn't bring back Asmodean because of the combination of 2 factors: HOW HE DIED and WHERE HE DIED. Not one or the other, both factors." might be interpreted as both factors (each alone) would have prevented the DO from bringing asmo back (and not just one or just the other) OR both factors (each alone) were not sufficient to prevent the DO from bringing asmo back and the combination of both was required. It seemed to me like his vision of it was more the first answer than the second (both factors each alone would have prevented it).

I am guessing that we will learn about that in either AMOL or the encyclopedia, but probably AMOL. My personal theory is that there is perhaps some kind of magic tied to the city of Caemlyn that makes the dark one's power be lessened within that city itself and perhaps he cannot bring back anyone killed there. This is perhaps also a reason that he wants to make a strike at the city of caemlyn with all of the trollocs very soon.

I asked about why grady didn't tie off the gateways to move perrin's troops if he was too tired to keep them open. Brandon says that this was part of the instructions he had, so he didn't want to change it (my speculation is that I think that means it was probably in the notes themselves but I don't know that for sure). He said that it makes sense for tieing off gateways to have a cost for the channeller to maintain because if it were so easy to create gateways and tie them off, it could be very breaking for the logistics of the world. If this were possible in the age of legends for example, why would anyone need a horse or a wagon or to develop any other kind of technology to transport anything? There could just be tied off gateways from everywhere to everywhere else.

I asked if there would be another great hunt for AMOL and brandon said yes and he is thinking about putting in all the chapter names. He said we will notice in TOM that not all of the chapter names got put in because he took out some of the ones that he thought would be so easy to guess. Because of this filtering on the chapter names, he was impressed that we guessed so many. I told him that there were 6000 failed guesses we listed and about the list and search engine that was made by theorylanders to avoid making the same wrong guesses and he was very impressed by that. He said Tor was surprised by the success of the hunt and that they were very pleased.

I also asked if there was anything in AMOL like the big un-noticed thing in TOM that we should look for. He said there are lots of little things that come to fruition in interesting ways. I said yeah, I can't wait to see how «*his blood on the rooks of SG*» turns out. Do you know there are some people that think elayne will have her babies on SG and that will fulfill the prophecy? He said well, elayne is like 4 months pregnant at this point... Lots of things are possible with the one power though. In my mind, this debunks that theory somewhat .

At dinner, cuthbert told us in detail about his involvment with the last clue. He had to get up on the chair of the photobooth to look at what was on top and a lot of the security guards were looking at him funny. He also got a lot of twitter followers and people encouraging him to go get the clue.

Julien asked if the incident where perrin comes back from TAR with blood of someone else on his face was a mistake or something else (usually you get blood from your own wounds but not others when exiting TAR). Brandon said remembering thinking it was odd at the time when he read it but asked for an email and find out for that question.

He also asked if rand had quit smoking since we hadn't seen him smoking tabac recently. Brandon says that if he can't get two rivers tabac he would rather not smoke anything and rand has been a busy guy lately. He compared it to being used to really good french wine and then having only bad american wine available, in which case rand would rather not consume. Rather funny.

Julien also asked what «*shana-har*» (sp?) meant and he said that he had asked Alan for a word that meant «*commemoration*» in the old tongue.

He also asked what was the riddle that the snakes & foxes told rand that gave him the answer about how to cleanse saidin. We know their answer to how can I win the last battle, how can I survive the last battle and we know the result of rand's third answer about cleansing the source but we don't know what the «*riddle*» was. Brandon was not sure if he could tell us this without giving something away so he got an email and find out on this question.

Someone asked about why the clouds are clearing and whether they were clearing around the certain of the important women in the story. Brandon said that the clouds are clearing around rand, but it has not been specified whether that's because of ta'veren, the fisher king or another reason entierly. He said that the clouds had cleared over Avi in the waste and we have not seen whether the clouds have cleared over tuon, but tuon is still somewhat behind the other characters at the end of TofM. He also said the clouds have not cleared over Seandar.

Cuthbert gave brandon packs of magic cards in italian and brandon had him sign one of the cards, which was neat.

Other things we discussed included the mistborn movie (brandon has seen a screenplay and it was pretty good, but the project is not for sure going to be made). Dreamworks animation has the rights to Alcatraz and Red Eagle has the rights to Wheel of Time.

There was an april fools joke at one point that lindsay lohan was going to play vin in the movie by brandon's friend dan wells who does the writing excuses podcast for aspiring writers with brandon. If you haven't listened to their podcast yet you should, its quite entertaining even for people who have no desire to become writers. Brandon mentionned that maybe about 50% of the audience is listening just for fun and may not have an actual desire to become professional authors.

Finally, brandon told us that he is likely coming back to europe next year. He wants to get to the UK very much and will likely go to the Imaginales d'epinal convention which is in march. He said that he generally has more time at conventions to do things like play magic than at signings as there are events over multiple days, parties, etc...

We discussed Demandred, I don't remember how or why it came up, but I said that the most popular theory currently is that he's roderan of murandy. I didn't ask who demandred is because I knew that would get a big fat RAFO. He said "aren't there a lot of people who think its paitar"? I said not that I knew as, RJ said we hadn't seen Demandred's alias on-screen prior to KOD and we had seen Paitar before. Roderan is basically the only important king of Randland or one of them that we haven't seen on screen. He didn't deny or confirm any of the above.

All this talk about gateways now has me curious if gateways always have to be flat or if there could ever be a curved gateway. But I didn't think to ask that. For example, could you make a spherical gateway around somebody with the destination being a firey pit and they couldn't move otherwise they'd be toast? If someone made a circular gateway, how would that look on the other side (a big round sphere of nothing... ?)

We talked about the order of the chapters as some people were confused by tam being in 2 places at once. Brandon said there was no way around this as they had to catch perrin up. Then we asked if there was a chance of getting the last 3 books re-released with the chapters in chronological order. He said this might be possible as an e-book or maybe a rearranged audiobook. Only the chapter orders would be changed. Me: You couldn't fit it all in one published book and it would just be weird to have 3 separate volumes published again with the chpaters in different orders. I could totally see an ebook or one huge rearranged audiobook though as something attractive and maybe not too costly to produce that some HCFFs like us would enjoy having.


Finally, here are some pictures of my books.
TOM with dead narg (awesome):


Way of Kings:


Contents of my backpack before going to the signing (that thing was heavy)!!

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Wow, a very thorough report, Jonathan! *thumbsup* I think I missed lots of the things you mentioned, btw, even the one around the dinner table

Regarding my signing on the Magic card, I should say two things: I was deeply embarassed and honoured by Brandon's request, and, after I signed it, Brandon offhandedly told me that the pen I had just used belonged to Robert Jordan himself! I don't think you guys got it at the moment though, and I didn't mention it after because I was just *a little* shocked
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Great report! The info on Asmodean in particular is enlightening, and I'm now even more curious about the 'place'. All this will go in the database later today.
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Awesome report! Sounds like you had a great time there! Grats on the signing and the dinner
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And I think this corroborates WSB's answer about place - many on other sites wondered if it was trustworthy and/or meaningful answer.

Sad we couldn't get Cyndane confirmation, but very exciting to know that Lanfear plays a more significant part of AMoL. That seems obvious at the end of ToM, but now we know for sure we will get more and that will be great.

Interesting about gateways and tying them off. And now we will have to break down the clouds thing...did he mention Tuon? Weird, ok. will have to reread this later.
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Great report I feel a little bit sad i wasn't there. But i can't be everywhere.
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Great report! The info on Asmodean in particular is enlightening, and I'm now even more curious about the 'place'. All this will go in the database later today.
I think the 'place' is 'close to Rand'. First of all, the pattern is in flux around him, since he's ta'veren, and second, it's possible that some of Rand's current Light weaving was in place before, and just not as noticeable. Since he can now consciously hold back the Dark One's power, he might have been unconsciously doing it already.
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Great report. I'm a little shocked by how much information you have. If Brandon wasn't constrained by his contract he'd probably spill the beans on everything.

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I think the 'place' is 'close to Rand'. First of all, the pattern is in flux around him, since he's ta'veren, and second, it's possible that some of Rand's current Light weaving was in place before, and just not as noticeable. Since he can now consciously hold back the Dark One's power, he might have been unconsciously doing it already.
Are you saying he got this ability to block transmigration with his presence after killing Aginor and Ishamael, since he was in their immediate vicinity (as well as Baltamel's) when they were transmigrated? It makes sense in a way, but there is nothing in the books to support this.
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And I think this corroborates WSB's answer about place - many on other sites wondered if it was trustworthy and/or meaningful answer.

Sad we couldn't get Cyndane confirmation, but very exciting to know that Lanfear plays a more significant part of AMoL. That seems obvious at the end of ToM, but now we know for sure we will get more and that will be great.

Interesting about gateways and tying them off. And now we will have to break down the clouds thing...did he mention Tuon? Weird, ok. will have to reread this later.
Great report! It's awesome that you guys got to go to dinner with Brandon.

And Tam, yeah, he did mention Tuon, which makes me a little happy. I'd been searching through tGS and ToM for some hint about the sun, but it's not really mentioned when Tuon is around. It goes back to Fel's "Belief and order give strength" note, and, as Tuon's own thoughts show in tGS, Tuon's all about order.

Just outta curiosity, what card did you sign Cuthbert? Also awesome that you got to use one of RJ's pens.
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And I think this corroborates WSB's answer about place - many on other sites wondered if it was trustworthy and/or meaningful answer.

Sad we couldn't get Cyndane confirmation, but very exciting to know that Lanfear plays a more significant part of AMoL. That seems obvious at the end of ToM, but now we know for sure we will get more and that will be great.

Interesting about gateways and tying them off. And now we will have to break down the clouds thing...did he mention Tuon? Weird, ok. will have to reread this later.
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Are you saying he got this ability to block transmigration with his presence after killing Aginor and Ishamael, since he was in their immediate vicinity (as well as Baltamel's) when they were transmigrated? It makes sense in a way, but there is nothing in the books to support this.
It must not block completely. RJ has said that balefire reduces the time the DO has to secure a soul (rather than making it actually impossible), so it could be the combination of the two.
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Caemlyn has always been central to the story, kind of like camelot, home of the good guys. Is there a lake in caemlyn (for a lady of the lake)? Anything in the stories about camelot being protected by stong magic?

One of RJs big themes is that the WOT world is the way the legends of our time developed. Legends --> Myth --> forgotten, stories getting changed over time etc...

Also when perrin went nightmare hunting, it was in caemlyn. "Men dream here"... So i don't think the where is close to rand but it could be that...

The where could also be proximity to a person other than rand or an object like a ter'angreal of some kind, or a seal on the DO's prison?

Did any of the others who were there create theoryland accounts yet? Come say hi and identify yourself and add anything i left out or that you remember something extra about. It was super fun meeting all of you too.

I thought the info about the gholam was particularly cool too...

Do I get some rep points and an upgraded theoryland account for this?

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