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Old 03-02-2011, 06:00 PM
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Default The Dragon Reborn 27 - AMoL Foreshadowing Discussion

In case you missed it, @BrandSanderson dropped a small bombshell on us on Twitter today.

"Wow. TDR 27 has a cool little foreshadowing for the end of AMOL that I'd never noticed before. #wotrr"

Twitter is blowing up about it. A few ideas are being floated. Here's a list (non-exclusive) of some, in no particular order. Some are mine, others are not.

-Egwene/Lanfear/Callandor/Tel'aran'rhiod. Egwene meets Lanfear again? Lanfear gets her hands on Callandor? Callandor in Tel'aran'rhiod? Lots of theories about this particular combination of events.
-Egwene thinks that the only way to help Rand would be to gentle him.
-Verin comes into the kitchens. Maybe she stashed the Horn with Laras?
-Egwene thinks that Rand won't be for Elayne, at least not in marriage.
-Maybe he meant foreshadowing the end of Towers of Midnight, and this was a typo? The chapter does reference Verin being Black Ajah.

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Old 03-02-2011, 06:35 PM
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Default A Small Foreshadowing

I know I posed some significant plot threads when originally seeing Brandon's tweet, but I doubt he would have broken something as big as Lanfear/Callandor regarding the end of the final book in the series. While Brandon is a bit chatty, that would be pretty damn significant. So, I recommend we look at something that wouldn't be so big, that even when we read it we wouldn't be disappointed that he broke the news early.

I like Verin's "have you found anything?" [...] "well keep looking" as a candidate. Potentially revealing another Black Ajah

Elayne discussing having three or four warders and marrying one, which Egwene thinks would be good if it were a commoner and not the Dragon Reborn. Foreshadowing a potential real marriage to Rand at the very end, assuming he lives, Tolkien-esque.

Another is Egwene seeing Rand smoking a pipe of tabac.
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Verin's "have you found anything? Well, keep looking" is the most likely one I can think of. Egwene chalks it up to Verin being easily distractable, but we know that she's just putting on an act when she pretends to be the absent-minded professor and isn't likely to have let anything slip by mistake. Maybe there's something to find in the kitchens? There have been some theories floating around that Laras is the one hiding the Horn.
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I do like the Laras theory. If for no other reason than that it's a shame she never met Mat when he was in the Tower. She would have loved him, as he would of course have reminded her of her days as a lively girl.
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Another is Egwene seeing Rand smoking a pipe of tabac.
I don't see much foreshadowing in Egwene's visit to Rand's Dream campsite, but it might tie into Min's Viewing of two bodies and a smoking pipe?

The only potential foreshadowing I see is Silvie's comment, "What might a Forsaken give to hold Callandor?"
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Given that Brandon posted his teaser between two tweets concerning events in the chapter we can pinpoint, it stands to reason that the foreshadowing occurred between those moments.

The tweet occurring prior to the teaser was about Eggy and her romantic feelings towards Rand and Galad as she's getting ready to test out the ring.

The tweet that follows is about the Supergirls first reaction to the BA in Tear being the desire to go after them.

Therefore, I don't think it's anything about Verin's comments or activities in the kitchens. It's almost certainly contained within the trip to T'A'R.

After a quick read through the relevant pages, the things that stand out to me are Eggy's thoughts about gentling Rand, her never killing him, Rand's fiery eyes, or something about the dream world being no less real for being a dream.
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I agree with your deduction. There are a few other things that happen in T'A'R that are worth considering, but I think you're right.
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From what I've been reading, both here and in the books, it looks to me that Eggy is starting to consider gentling Rand. Especially the way she was going in TOM? Yeah, I wouldn't put it past her to have that as a back-up plan at least.
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A whirring sound, and she jumped before she recognised a cricket
Obviously, Jiminy Cricket is going to save the day, by startling Shai'tan (Egwene's alter ego) at a crucial moment.

Seriously, it more likely has something to do with Lanfear. She gives quite a few interesting hints there, any one of which might be it.
"Even the Shadow can't take being called a fool."
"What wouldn't one of the Forsaken give, to hold Callandor?"
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Question Silvie's Comment

I know Silvie=Lanfear, but what about her comment to Egwene?

"You know poor old Silvie, my Lady. Served your family faithfully all these years. Does this old face still frighten you? Don't let it, my Lady. It serves me, when I need it, as good as a prettier."

Somehow "Silvie" has been "serving" Egwene's "family" for a long time. That might come into play at Shayol Ghul.

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I never thought to wonder before, but why is Perrin chaining himself to a post? Not just any post, but a "thick pillar of rough-cut, black stone," which is hardly the regular decor for the interior of an inn. Previously when I've read that passage I thought the point of it was to reiterate the connection between Perrin and his wolf dreams and Egwene's TAR training, since tDR is when those story lines first started to be developed, but now I wonder if it's meant to foreshadow some sort of connection between Perrin and the Black Tower. He's planning to go there to investigate the second Dreamspike soon, and he was one of the first characters to start treating the Asha'man like human beings.
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I never thought to wonder before, but why is Perrin chaining himself to a post? Not just any post, but a "thick pillar of rough-cut, black stone," which is hardly the regular decor for the interior of an inn.
He thinks of himself as becoming a dangerous wolf, so he has chained himself to the post as you would chain up an attack dog to keep it from biting visitors. The post might be described that way just to emphasize its strength (perhaps because Perrin has broken posts in his dreams before).
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From what I've been reading, both here and in the books, it looks to me that Eggy is starting to consider gentling Rand. Especially the way she was going in TOM? Yeah, I wouldn't put it past her to have that as a back-up plan at least.
I don't think she's considering it yet. I also doubt that this is the "cool little foreshadowing." That's kind of a big one. She's frustrated by Rand; she's scared by what he wants to do, but she's not a fool. Gentling the Dragon Reborn before the Last Battle - everyone knows what that would mean.
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I think she would kill him before she would gentle him.
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Yeah, he might not like being gentled, and Nynaeve would Heal him again anyway. So then there would be an angry Dragon roaming around. I think that Egwene is not stupid enough to risk that, but I am not entirely sure.
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Maybe Egwene is going to stick her head in a bear's mouth...Twice.

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The almighty Amyrlin would never do such a thing.
And the ever wise Queen of Andor would never let herself get kidna-uh, tricked into- crap, lured into a-dammit!

Okay, whose idea was it to put a blonde on one of the most powerful thrones!?
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That would be young master al'Thor, now, wouldn't it?
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That would be young master al'Thor, now, wouldn't it?
I was going to say the other Lords and Ladies who threw their vote in with her lot.
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