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Old 03-30-2011, 10:15 PM
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If she passed the bond, why did Lan suffer as if the bond snapped? Or was Myrelle lying when she said she had to work to keep him alive?

Something caused the bond to break as if one member had died. "The Finns used their evil magic to do it" may be the only logical explanation.

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Well she did go into that doorway knowing that she would be taken captive, and needed everyone to assume that she was dead- why not just assume that one of her requests was sever my warder bond?
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Seems wasteful.

WHY does she need everyone to assume she's dead?
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Well she did go into that doorway knowing that she would be taken captive, and needed everyone to assume that she was dead- why not just assume that one of her requests was sever my warder bond?
Because the severing of the bond happened instantaneously, as far as we know. But, in order to make agreements, Moiraine and Lanfear first had to be captured, and then they had to be taken to the right room.
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How about Moiraine sets up the bond-transfer to Myrelle in case the worst should happen to her. Then she goes to the Finn realm after tackling Lanfear through the doorway. Now she realises that she's going to be tortured so she severs the bond herself. Maybe to "pass" the bond in such a way that no trauma is caused to the Warder she would need to be in physical contact with the woman she is going to pass it to (physical contact is needed with the man to establish the bond in the first place). By severing the bond as she did, she causes the bond to be passed to Myrelle as if she died, and Lan is traumatised but this is better than if Lan was feeling that his Aes Sedai was in mortal danger, being systematically tortured and being far beyond his help - would such knowledge drive him insane? Quite possibly, if he was aware of that suffering through the bond - look what Alanna's knowledge of Rand's wounds did to her when she first bonded him. When that Aes Sedai is stabbed by the dark-eyed Aiel, doesn't her Warder jump up and sprint off like an arrow heading straight for her because he knows how much pain she is in?

Moiraine therefore saw severing the bond as the better of two traumatic outcomes for Lan since she has already taken the precaution of passing the bond to a woman who had saved a number of Warders who had survived their Aes Sedai.

The third possible course of action was to pass the bond directly to Myrelle physically before she confronted to Lanfear. This is a "no go" for two reasons. Firstly, Lan is annoyed enough when she sets up passing the bond as a contingency plan saying he doesn't want "to be passed around like a dog" (or something similar). With Lan's sense of pride and duty he would rather be with Moiraine and face the effects of bond-severing than be packaged off to safety. Secondly, if she did pass the bond against his will before she was actually in danger Lan would know something was up and he would hang around anyway instead of going to his new Aes Sedai. Lan and Moiraine respect each other hugely and he would not ride away when he knew she was about to put herself in danger. If Moiraine rigged up the bond to force him to ride away under Compulsion that would very much be a betrayal of any friendship they had.

Far better for Lan's mental health, their friendship and their respect for each other that Lan believed she died before seeking out his new Aes Sedai.
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How about this:

"I wish for Mat and Thom and that other dude to come rescue me!"

"I wish for Lan's bond to pass to Myrelle!"

"I wish for... um... dunno, an angreal?"
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Seems wasteful.

WHY does she need everyone to assume she's dead?
Perhaps because something she saw in the Rhuidean rings, or an answer she got from the Finns first time, is contingent upon her return.

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"The Finns used their evil magic to do it" may be the only logical explanation.
So long as BS doesn't actually shoehorn the word "magic" into the series again I don't mind.
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WHY does she need everyone to assume she's dead?
Because if she hadn't, then Rand would have tried to save her, as a result Sammael wouldn't have needed to mess around with the Shaido, Faile would not have been kidnapped, and then Morgase could not have saved the day by wiggling around a bit of cloth. And that is of course what is going to make all the difference during the Last Battle.
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It's funny how long this has been argued. I don't see why it's such a big deal to believe that the bond was severed due to the doorway melting. Lan didn't feel her "die" until the door was completely done melting. It wasn't as she leapt or as she entered the doorway. It was when Rand saw that the doorway was to the ground. That's enough for me. And please don't reply that the bond didn't sever when she went through it in Tear. The Tear doorway didn't melt. There could easily be something between Eelfinn and Aelfinn realms that blocks the bond from snapping back through the other portal.


Now to why they kept Lanfear and Moiraine. I really think whoever asks that needs to re-read book 4 and book 13 because it's self explanatory. They taste good. The 'finn will capture everyone who enters their realm, as long as it doesn't break the treaty.
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Before we speculate on Moiraine's wishes (of which we know one, the angreal), aren't we also still in the dark on her questions from TSR as well?
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Before we speculate on Moiraine's wishes (of which we know one, the angreal), aren't we also still in the dark on her questions from TSR as well?
We can't know for sure what her questions were, but she does hint at what she wanted answers to:

TSR Ch 6

First she says this:
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If I cannot make him reach some decision, I may have to step through.
The italics are in the text. She wanted him to declare war on Illian, of course, but this might indicate one of her questions. Something along the lines of "Should the Dragon attack Illian?.

Of course, on the next page she also mentions three specific questions that she wanted answered.

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what Rand must do to survive and triumph
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how he can defeat the Forsaken and the Dark One
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how he can learn to control the Power and hold off madness long enough to do what he must
Her concern is with the consequences of questions touching on the Shadow, so perhaps asking that second question would have been impossible. But that would still leave her with the other two, which would require careful phrasing perhaps, and the question concerning Illian.

Now obviously we can't say with certainty that these were her actual questions, but they seem reasonable, and we could even guess at the answers.

1. Should the Dragon attack Illian?
Answer - He must go to Rhuidean.

2. What must Rand do to survive and triumph?
Answer - To live he must die. Or maybe something about her "death" at the docks in Cairhien.

3. How can he learn to control the Power and hold off madness?
Answer - He must chain the Shadowsworn (...Asmodean) to his will. Or maybe something vague about the cleansing.
 


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