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Old 11-18-2010, 01:00 PM
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If it induces wildness, then it would affect females as well. But the whole concept of "wildness" I think is silly and something someone made up cause I never heard of it in the series.

Caveatar, I think you have the best theories so far. I think you might be right on one or more of those. That actually gives me an idea. If Rand's soul gets trapped in the blade, this give Ave a huge role. She can read ter'angreal we know, but what if her talent expands beyond that? Or what if Cal is both Sa' and ter'angreal? Seems crazy I know cause how can something be two types of angreal? I myself find it unlikely.

But anyway, what if Ave can somehow figure this out by touching it? We know some angreal are beyond her, like the one in Rhuidian, but maybe her power/talent will grow by that time. So then she can maybe sense Rand's soul and maybe put it back in his body. Or maybe Ny can. And it wouldn't really be like healing death, since it would only be a one time thing, something that can only be done with someone who died using Cal. So we wouldn't have to worry about a weave to heal death getting out and all.

Wild theories I know but I've seen a few theories that most of the forums thought would never happen, happen.


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So are our collective theories crazy I believe, however I have confidence in RJ and BS to come up with ideas that ARE crazy enough to be the real thing.

I just hope that the Pattern DOES weave the DO into itself, ending up with a Linear Time that doesn't keep recycling the same old sh1t over and over and over. Of course then Randlanders would have to worry about the Heat Death of the Universe or maybe Al'Gore or D'Anquayle could come up with something else to stir up crap with like BowlofWindsWarming or OnePowerWinter. It is fun to theorize and try to outguess the writer(s) though.
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Two quick points:

1. There is no taint to magnify at this point...Saidin is clean.

2. Rand can't lead a circle of 1 man and 2 women...
I suspect that the taint WAS the true power that bled back into the source when the bore was sealed. It makes people ill and insane when they channel it. Moridin gets ill when he channels the OP now because he has channeled too much TP.

If it magnified the taint why could it not have been an angreal or sa'angreal for the TP? Noone who could know has handled the thing or studied it.
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I suspect that the taint WAS the true power that bled back into the source when the bore was sealed. It makes people ill and insane when they channel it. Moridin gets ill when he channels the OP now because he has channeled too much TP.

If it magnified the taint why could it not have been an angreal or sa'angreal for the TP? Noone who could know has handled the thing or studied it.
That is a rather creative and unfounded reason for Rand's channeling illness... I am not convinced Moridin felt the same illness himself if he channeled the One Power. He looked ill one time, but that does not mean he felt ill like Rand did every time, which leads me to believe he was feeling Rand's illness rather than feeling his own.

I do not think it is reasonable to think that the Lightfriends who created the sword knew anything at all about the True Power, which would make it difficult to make it a TP magnifier,

There is an author quote saying the flaw was a manufacturing flaw, which would lead it to be unintentional.

I think the flaw in the buffer will somehow allow the Shadow to enter into, or sieze control of, the circle.
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I always figured that a woman needed to lead the circle so that the buffer against drawing too much from being a participant in the circle offset Callandor's lack of built in buffer.

Then they could draw the maximum amount of power through Callandor without burning the man out, where as if he were to lead the circle, he would not benefit from the circle's anti-burnout protection.
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My take on the whole Callandor issue is that whatever "flaws" Callandor has, they are actually built into the blade with a purpose. Not actual "flaws" as it were.

Callandor was built specifically for the Dragon. At the time of creation, the taint was a very real threat (with no solution to get rid of it) and they probably made a weapon for the Dragon to use safely so that he wouldn't affect him with the taint as much, or at all - while using two women channelers.

At the same time I think Callandor was made specifially to help the Dragon fulfill his destiny, fight the DO. I think one of the "flaws" built into Callandor is actually going to be helpful in the Dragons attempt at fighting the DO. Just don't know exactly how yet.
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My take on the whole Callandor issue is that whatever "flaws" Callandor has, they are actually built into the blade with a purpose. Not actual "flaws" as it were.

Callandor was built specifically for the Dragon. At the time of creation, the taint was a very real threat (with no solution to get rid of it) and they probably made a weapon for the Dragon to use safely so that he wouldn't affect him with the taint as much, or at all - while using two women channelers.

At the same time I think Callandor was made specifially to help the Dragon fulfill his destiny, fight the DO. I think one of the "flaws" built into Callandor is actually going to be helpful in the Dragons attempt at fighting the DO. Just don't know exactly how yet.
I too think the flaws are intentional. The Karaethon Cycle Callandor Prophecies are those usage manual CAUTIONs.
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My take on the whole Callandor issue is that whatever "flaws" Callandor has, they are actually built into the blade with a purpose. Not actual "flaws" as it were.

Callandor was built specifically for the Dragon. At the time of creation, the taint was a very real threat (with no solution to get rid of it) and they probably made a weapon for the Dragon to use safely so that he wouldn't affect him with the taint as much, or at all - while using two women channelers.

At the same time I think Callandor was made specifially to help the Dragon fulfill his destiny, fight the DO. I think one of the "flaws" built into Callandor is actually going to be helpful in the Dragons attempt at fighting the DO. Just don't know exactly how yet.
RJ's comments on the matter seem to contradict that though...they are supposedly manufacturing flaws due to quality control issues.

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JWB: Was Callandor constructed during the War of Power?
RJ: Yes

JWB: Was it used in the War of Power?
RJ: Yes, that is how the flaw was discovered.

JWB: Why didn't they ward/buffer Callandor?
RJ: The flaw with Callandor is simply a manufacturing flaw. (He went on to talk about how they were at the end of their tech age with only a few sho-wings and jo-cars left. A couple of shocklances were still around but they were not as prevalent as they had been. Anyway they had been mass producing ter'angreal, angreal, and sa'angreal, and there are bound to be flaws with the products. The flaw with Callandor is simply one such flaw.)
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The Rules of Circles, if can remember them correctly. Will try to look in BWB as i think thats where it came from.

women start the link but can only link up to 13 before a man is required then you can have 26 female 1 male from then on it is 1 male per (8 I think) extra females up to 72 total channelers.

There also must always be more females in the circle than males except for 1 on 1, 2 on 2 and (2 males and 1 female, cant remember why this is allowed but i think it is will have to look it up.)

Anybody can be in charge of the circle except for the following rules
A man must lead the biggest circle 72
A man must lead in all circles where men equal or better the females ie 1 on 1, 2 on 2, and the 2men 1 female
A man must also lead if there are more than 1 man in a circle of less than 13
A female must lead if there are only the minimum number of men present for a maximum sized circle, ie 13 female 1 male (female must lead)26 female 2 male, 34/3, 42/4, 50/5, 58/6.

Also once you are linked only death can unlink you unless the leader releases you, you can walk far enough away for your power to be not useful but you will still be part of the circle.

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Maybe the flaw is something simple. I mean, when Narishma was using it in the circle during the cleansing, it worked just fine. I'm thinking maybe it just makes the user get tired more quickly. Or maybe it allows the leader of the circle to draw too much of the power from the holder and removes the protection from the link.

I mean, it buffers them from drawing too much power at once thus burning them out, but it allows to keep on drawing power consistantly, thus making him die from sheer exhaustion as if they were channeling by themselves. Though then again, that almost happened to Ny during the cleansing, so maybe that's not a flaw at all but just a danger of linking period. I just remember Narishma being exhausted and sitting on the ground while holding the sword while the sisters he was linked with were still standing.

Or maybe the part where it induces Wildness is the second and everyone else just forgot about it somehow. The buffer is one flaw, but the Wildness is a seperate, second flaw, not connected to the buffer.
 


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