art by =saintchase

Theoryland Resources

WoT Interview Search

Search the most comprehensive database of interviews and book signings from Robert Jordan, Brandon Sanderson and the rest of Team Jordan.

Wheel of Time News

An Hour With Harriet

2012-04-30: I had the great pleasure of speaking with Harriet McDougal Rigney about her life. She's an amazing talent and person and it will take you less than an hour to agree.

The Bell Tolls

2012-04-24: Some thoughts I had during JordanCon4 and the upcoming conclusion of "The Wheel of Time."

Theoryland Community

Members: 7653

Logged In (0):

Newest Members:johnroserking, petermorris, johnadanbvv, AndrewHB, jofwu, Salemcat1, Dhakatimesnews, amazingz, Sasooner, Hasib123,

Theoryland Tweets

Forums

Home | Chat | Old Forums(Yuku)


Go Back   Theoryland of the Wheel of Time Forums > WHEEL OF TIME FORUMS > Theoryland Re-Read
User Name
Password

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 07-28-2011, 04:59 AM
FelixPax's Avatar
FelixPax FelixPax is offline
Elder
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 1,612
FelixPax has a brilliant futureFelixPax has a brilliant futureFelixPax has a brilliant futureFelixPax has a brilliant futureFelixPax has a brilliant futureFelixPax has a brilliant futureFelixPax has a brilliant futureFelixPax has a brilliant futureFelixPax has a brilliant futureFelixPax has a brilliant futureFelixPax has a brilliant future
Default Winter's Heart, Prologue 'Snow'

Every once in a while I find something quite curious. Take this short passage describing Dyelin.

Quote:
Dyelin gave an irritated grunt. A large, round silver pin worked with Taravin’s Owl and Oak was fastened at the high neck of her dark green dress, her only jewelry. A show of pride in her House, perhaps too much pride; the High Seat of House Taravin was a proud woman altogether. Gray streaked her golden hair and fine lines webbed the corners of her eyes, yet her face was strong, her faze level and sharp. Her mind was a razor. Or maybe a sword. A plainspoken woman, or so it seemed, who did not hide her opinions.


Winter's Heart, Prologue 'Snow' -- Elayne point of view; with Dyelin, Birgitte
Dyelin dressed akin to a Brown Ajah stereotype, relatively plain clothes... a blue dress... yet a House Jewelry Pin is present akin to Logain's House Pin (KoD book).

Her House symbol of an "Owl and Oak", is slightly morbid and a bit negative... if one recalls that an Owl hooting is an Omen 'that someone is going to die soon'; 'Oak Trees who fight the Wind do not survive a Storm'.

Ideally a Mouse and a Willow Tree, are better symbols of survival, for the times coming. Wind, Lightning, Ice, Flood, Storm.

Yet as Verin once said to paraphrase, Owl's eat Mice. Is Dyelin a danger? Ahh oh, who is associated with the symbol of a mouse? Matrim Cauthon, Beslan, Valan Luca.

I wonder if Dyelin can survive the storm, even if she makes excellent decisions? Can Dyelin find the Eye of the Storm, still winds? In other words, the Dragon? Otherwise, Oaks can and do break apart at the razor's edge of a storm.

If Dyelin meets Fortuona riding a Razor in Tar Valon without the true Dragon near by (Valan Luca)... I fear for Dyelin.


Might Dyelin's Pride and earlier vow to Rand al'Thor to keep Andor whole, push her to in time abandon Elayne as Queen of Andor for another more senior ruler?

Yes, I believe so... for Elayne's future husband. A man, with a few relatives from one House of Matherin, in another prior time period....



Considering RJ's major love of sword(s) and razor(s) metaphors, is this a subtle foreshadowing by RJ of Dyelin's later actions in the final WoT book?
Yes, I believe it is indeed.

Speculation, Predictions


Dyelin, I think will listen listen to many individuals, before coming to a decision--possibly including:
Birgitte, Gareth Bryne, Aviendha, Siuan, Leane, Teslyn Baradon, Joline, Leilwin, Bethamin, Chel Vanin & the Band of Red Hand, Bode Cauthon, Mother Guenna, Tam al'Thor, Galad, Berelain, Lelaine, Romanda, Gray Ajah, many Warders, Wise Ones including Amys Melaine & Bair, Roofmistresses, Kinswomen, Novices, Accepted and many more Aes Sedai among others.

I do not expect Faile to stick around however, considering Gaul's prior promise to Perrin.
Why listen, then decide? To protect Andor, her estates, and try to win the Last Battle as best as she can. Dyelin's future decision, will help decide who shall wear the Crown of Andor in the near future once again.

It's to be decided by a razor's edge, and the bloody Sword of Justice.


Question is can Dyelin, her supporters, and peers survive it's conclusion? Can they keep their heads? Let alone above the icy waters?


Quote:
Deciding who to trust was always the difficulty, and trust a razor’s edge.--Rand al'Thor (ACoS, Ch.41 "A Crown of Swords")
Quote:
A celebration of still being alive. One more time they had walked under the Dark One’s nose and survived to tell the tale. One more dance along the razor’s edge finished.


TFoH book, Chapter 45 "After the Storm" --- Matrim Cauthon point of view
What do you all think of Dyelin as a character?
How about Dyelin's role so far in the story?
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 10-02-2012, 03:55 PM
MissMeggles MissMeggles is offline
Youngling
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 10
MissMeggles is an unknown quantity at this point
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by FelixPax View Post
Every once in a while I find something quite curious. Take this short passage describing Dyelin.



Dyelin dressed akin to a Brown Ajah stereotype, relatively plain clothes... a blue dress... yet a House Jewelry Pin is present akin to Logain's House Pin (KoD book).

Her House symbol of an "Owl and Oak", is slightly morbid and a bit negative... if one recalls that an Owl hooting is an Omen 'that someone is going to die soon'; 'Oak Trees who fight the Wind do not survive a Storm'.

Ideally a Mouse and a Willow Tree, are better symbols of survival, for the times coming. Wind, Lightning, Ice, Flood, Storm.

Yet as Verin once said to paraphrase, Owl's eat Mice. Is Dyelin a danger? Ahh oh, who is associated with the symbol of a mouse? Matrim Cauthon, Beslan, Valan Luca.

I wonder if Dyelin can survive the storm, even if she makes excellent decisions? Can Dyelin find the Eye of the Storm, still winds? In other words, the Dragon? Otherwise, Oaks can and do break apart at the razor's edge of a storm.

If Dyelin meets Fortuona riding a Razor in Tar Valon without the true Dragon near by (Valan Luca)... I fear for Dyelin.


Might Dyelin's Pride and earlier vow to Rand al'Thor to keep Andor whole, push her to in time abandon Elayne as Queen of Andor for another more senior ruler?

Yes, I believe so... for Elayne's future husband. A man, with a few relatives from one House of Matherin, in another prior time period....



Considering RJ's major love of sword(s) and razor(s) metaphors, is this a subtle foreshadowing by RJ of Dyelin's later actions in the final WoT book?
Yes, I believe it is indeed.

Speculation, Predictions


Dyelin, I think will listen listen to many individuals, before coming to a decision--possibly including:
Birgitte, Gareth Bryne, Aviendha, Siuan, Leane, Teslyn Baradon, Joline, Leilwin, Bethamin, Chel Vanin & the Band of Red Hand, Bode Cauthon, Mother Guenna, Tam al'Thor, Galad, Berelain, Lelaine, Romanda, Gray Ajah, many Warders, Wise Ones including Amys Melaine & Bair, Roofmistresses, Kinswomen, Novices, Accepted and many more Aes Sedai among others.

I do not expect Faile to stick around however, considering Gaul's prior promise to Perrin.
Why listen, then decide? To protect Andor, her estates, and try to win the Last Battle as best as she can. Dyelin's future decision, will help decide who shall wear the Crown of Andor in the near future once again.

It's to be decided by a razor's edge, and the bloody Sword of Justice.


Question is can Dyelin, her supporters, and peers survive it's conclusion? Can they keep their heads? Let alone above the icy waters?




What do you all think of Dyelin as a character?
How about Dyelin's role so far in the story?
Nevermind
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 10-03-2012, 04:48 AM
GonzoTheGreat GonzoTheGreat is offline
Hero of the Horn
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 15,868
GonzoTheGreat has a reputation beyond reputeGonzoTheGreat has a reputation beyond reputeGonzoTheGreat has a reputation beyond reputeGonzoTheGreat has a reputation beyond reputeGonzoTheGreat has a reputation beyond reputeGonzoTheGreat has a reputation beyond reputeGonzoTheGreat has a reputation beyond reputeGonzoTheGreat has a reputation beyond reputeGonzoTheGreat has a reputation beyond reputeGonzoTheGreat has a reputation beyond reputeGonzoTheGreat has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by MissMeggles View Post
Nevermind
I agree.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
dyelin, justice, mutiny, razor, storm


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:15 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.