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Ok, so I'll ask again, what does this have to do with topic? Its a great way to change the topic i believe, but you weren't tryiong to do that were you?
On the one hand, Rand did not have the experience to truly judge what limitations there were in regard to the amount of TP he could draw. It was a lot, and the euphoria associated with it distorted his perception of precisely how much it was.
On the other hand, it seems clear that with the CK, he could also draw a lot of power, but not a very clear maximum (as would have been the case with a more conventional sa'angreal).

So in both cases, the amount of power he could maximally draw would have to be described as "lots", which makes comparing which is bigger a rather difficult exercise from his viewpoint. Especially given the fact that he did not dare experiment with either.
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On the one hand, Rand did not have the experience to truly judge what limitations there were in regard to the amount of TP he could draw.

How do you know when you've overdrawn? By experience of course, you get burned out! (Sorry, hadta!)


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It was a lot, and the euphoria associated with it distorted his perception of precisely how much it was.

The euphoria wasn't that much in evidence in the scene I remember, but I'll take your word for it.

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On the other hand, it seems clear that with the CK, he could also draw a lot of power, but not a very clear maximum (as would have been the case with a more conventional sa'angreal).
He did mention he couldn't draw more than he was doing with the CK in the cleansing. He seems to know his limit with regard to the OP quantity wise. But while Nyn showed signs of ectasy, he apparently didn't feel anything. At least nothing that I recall from his pov.
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One thing that will definitely (at the very least) irritate me is Rand and Moridin merging into some kind of Slayer like entity, and if the last battle is won by Fain killing Superslayer. Some sort of force outside the pattern destroying the living union of the conduits of the shadow and the light.

Also, if Rand and Moridin goes down like Neo and Agent Smith, I'll [redacted].
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One thing that will definitely (at the very least) irritate me is Rand and Moridin merging into some kind of Slayer like entity, and if the last battle is won by Fain killing Superslayer. Some sort of force outside the pattern destroying the living union of the conduits of the shadow and the light.

Also, if Rand and Moridin goes down like Neo and Agent Smith, I'll [redacted].
Yeah, I've never been a fan of the whole merging thing, outside of DBZ anyways , and that would be one of the big things that would cause me to throw my book at the wall.
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I just thought of another one!
A lovey-dovey scene between Mat and Tuon.
By lovey-dovey I mean one with lots of pink hearts (think Nyn with Lan) instead of one that's a bit more representative of their true selves.


Also (this one slightly joking): finding out that baths don't have ta'veren powers.
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I just thought of another one!
A lovey-dovey scene between Mat and Tuon.
By lovey-dovey I mean one with lots of pink hearts (think Nyn with Lan) instead of one that's a bit more representative of their true selves.


Also (this one slightly joking): finding out that baths don't have ta'veren powers.
Wow. Never thought of that before. But I agree, Mat and Tuon's relationship is not the "lovey-dovey" kind. Even if Tuon comes to actually love Mat, I really don't see their relationship changing too much.
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Tuon might do it in an attempt to keep Mat on edge. Would work, too.
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Yeah, I've never been a fan of the whole merging thing...
Really? I've always been quite fond of a bit of "merging". Of course, thats not what we call it round here...
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Really? I've always been quite fond of a bit of "merging". Of course, thats not what we call it round here...
That's called "comforting". I suspect Terez would be quite happy if Rand and Moridin did that. I don't think she believes it will happen, though.
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Really? I've always been quite fond of a bit of "merging". Of course, thats not what we call it round here...
I lol'd.

But still, the actual theory of Rand and Moridin merging into one body or whatever, is FAR from my favorite theory.
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Re Rand-Ishydin "merging" (hurr, hurr) - I have been resigned since LoC to not seeing any male... pillow-friends.
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According to some, in TEOTW, when they couldn't afford any pillows, Mat and Rand were gutter-friends.
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According to some, in TEOTW, when they couldn't afford any pillows, Mat and Rand were gutter-friends.
Ooh, I had forgotten that stint.
(I am deliberately not saying any more in this comment.)
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That joke is almost as old as the books themselves. Ruby tipped dagger, ha ha ha etc more forced laughter.

Anyway, gay character meant to be showing up in next book. Lot of people think it may be androl. To some, it's a big deal...
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Well, Rand is certainly Neo but Moridin is not Agent Smith. Fain is Smith. Moridin is the Merovingian. He serves the Dark One (the machine mainframe, or Deux ex Machina) but on his own terms and with his own private motivations, while Neo/Rand was created to help continue the cycle/wheel. They're all part of the creator/architect's system of control except for Fain/Smith who, well, isn't.
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Well, Rand is certainly Neo but Moridin is not Agent Smith. Fain is Smith. Moridin is the Merovingian. He serves the Dark One (the machine mainframe, or Deux ex Machina) but on his own terms and with his own private motivations, while Neo/Rand was created to help continue the cycle/wheel. They're all part of the creator/architect's system of control except for Fain/Smith who, well, isn't.
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Well, Rand is certainly Neo but Moridin is not Agent Smith. Fain is Smith. Moridin is the Merovingian. He serves the Dark One (the machine mainframe, or Deux ex Machina) but on his own terms and with his own private motivations, while Neo/Rand was created to help continue the cycle/wheel. They're all part of the creator/architect's system of control except for Fain/Smith who, well, isn't.
I meant more along the lines of "Rand wins by merging with Moridin." And otherwise, it's not really one to one. Rand is Neo insofar as he is the Chosen One, has superpowers, is reborn cyclically, is the good guy, etc...but Moridin is the Merovingian only in the sense that he is a primary villain with free will of the established evil. The Matrix and the rebel city are set up to perpetually repeat a cycle of events. The 'one' was usually content to maintain the (apparently evil) status quo, and both sides would generally be fairly content. In WoT, Moridin is the one craving freedom from the cycle. Smith being Fain works for me though. I have no idea what either of their endgames are.
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