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Old 12-10-2011, 10:21 PM
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Greetings to fellow WoT fans. I figured this time around I would introduce myself first.

I have been with WoT series since TGH, in those days it was my practice to visit the book store at least twice a month and I always had an eye out for something new and promising. On that particular day (April 8, 1991 I know because I had recently begun a new practice of writing down the date of each book I purchased, a thing I still do today), I found A large size paperback of TGH near the hardcover new releases. There was something about the title that seemed to promise what I was looking for a heroic epic fantasy of good vs evil. It was of course volume two of a series and so I didn't purchase that particular book that day, I did however make my way to the paperback section and pick up a copy of the first book in the series as well as Berserkers Planet and Brokenclaw.

I would return to that same book store a week later on April 8, 1991. This was earlier then usual but not as you might be thinking to pick up TGH, it was the day of a new release I had been eagerly awaiting The Seeress of Kell. David Eddings newest book in the Maloreen series, but since I was there I did also pick up TGH it was not a sure thing that I would do so.

I had begun reading TEotW almost at once but my feelings where mixed and I was unaware that I was in the hands of a master story teller and that this story would come to ruin me for much of the reading fodder I had been happily consuming previously.

As I read TEotW I couldn't decide if I liked the story or not, it was interesting and a page turner but I had a hang up that revolved around the inter actions of Moraine and the Emond's Field boy's. She was a bully and they followed her like sheep. I greatly cheered Nynaeve when she came on the scene finally someone was standing up to Moraine, but then she to was browbeaten into submission and it was nearly the end of the story for me but I still had some small hope that Nynaeve at least would stand up to Moraine at some point and continued to read and so reached the end unsatisfied with mixed feelings.

You see the story for me had become the battle for some simple dignity on behalf of the Emond Fielders. The battle for good and evil was between the bullying Moraine and the three boys, I loved Nynaeve for standing up to her on their behalf and very much wanted her to come out the victor.

As I moved on to TGH this was still in a way a primary moving point of the story for me. My hope that Moraine would be brought down in some way was rekindled there where signs indicating that she Moraine might even be of the Black Ajah, I very much wanted this to be true. Also the fact that Rand and company were off the leash made this tale more tolerable. In the end though perhaps they where not that far off the leash, it was after all just a manipulation of Moraine's to send them after the horn. I still was not sold by this tale but I had more hope enough to buy the next volume in hard cover when it came out TDR.

TDR is the book that finally got more then a hook in me, I had by this time given up hope that Moraine was Black Ajah but was convinced she had been to the dark friend gathering in TGH, (I still think this is likely, it explains much about certain early events). Rand defied Moraine and ran off on his own at last he is standing up to her and Perin also, but in the end Moraine still seems to have the upper hand and Mat begins to come into his own. I knew after this one I was hooked on this series and I see now how I was lead by dangling carrots that deliver a completely unexpected reward in TFoH of all WoT book's I have never considered it one of my favorite but there came an understanding that would completely reverse how I felt about Moraine.

TFoH turns The Rand and Moraine relationship on its head, Rand is completely standing up for himself and I confess I was greatly enjoying this turn but then something happens that was unexpected. Moraine surrenders, in that moment as Rand begins to feel protective of her I as the reader turned also. I had a sudden epiphany, it was my second read through of TFoH so I had the advantage of knowing how things turned out, I suddenly understood Moraine.

I had been angry with Moraine, how could she threaten, manipulate, and brow beat so coldly. She forced others to sacrifice offering them little choice or consideration.

Only when Moraine surrenders and offers to serve Rand was I able to see her in a new light. She hadn't just asked and demanded others to sacrifice, she herself was sacrificing everything to save the world. This changed everything, I understood her now, it was never for herself and always for her cause to save the world, she was selfless, and I loved her for it, even though I still don't agree with all of her early methods.

When all this became clear to me this series moved to a new level in my collection, there are few books in my collection I have read more then once, I have reread WoT several times and don't think I will ever tire of it.

I love all of the characters and all of the little nit picking things I have seen people moan about. My greatest disapointment has only ever been that upon finishing one book in the series I would have to wait for the next.

This has gone on longer then I intended, I meant only to say I have been around awhile but have seldom posted and do not visit here frequently its hard to find the time so I am true youngling in that regard. I have returned because I intend to revisit my Rahvin theory one last time before the final book and because as we near the release date of the final book the hunger grows once again. I have developed a new possible twist and connection to the theory but will try to complete a reread starting from TFoH, (I believe all the facts are present from there on that are needed). I may post partial points on it leading up to the final completed theory.

As a short recap I believe Rahvin is alive, that he had a hand in Asmodeans murder, and that he is Mazrim Taim.

"Graendal's face contorted, and Rahvin prepared to shield himself against whatever the two women might hurl at one another, prepared to Travel at even a whiff of balefire." Prologue TFoH.

"Rahvin reserved judgment. It might well work. And if not...If not, he saw several ways to shape events to his advantage. This might work out very well indeed." Prologue TFoH.
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Consider yourself officially welcomed to Theoryland NG!!! (Odd... I totally already greeted you and the post isn't here....hmmmmm maybe the hamsters got confused after that intro post as well)As I'm sure you've noticed, we have a pretty decent community of WoT fanatics over here. One of the ways that we keep it all friendly is a short list of courtesies we ask people to follow and, once in a while, actually do get followed. Imagine that! Insane people following some sort of order!

1) Don't flood the board with multiple THREADS all at once.
Allow us the time to absorb, evaluate, and discuss, OR LAUGH at one or two ideas, OR JOKES at a time. Some of us like to do a little research before responding and that can take a little time. Of course, we also have those others who are just a bit slow. Read that as "just can't handle more than one thought in their heads at once" or "dial-up modem". Your choice. I'd suggest "have a real life", but not likely. Does anyone still have dial up?'s getting hard to give the slow people an excuse

Addendum to 1) Try to stay on topic.
Going off on tangents can be super fun and is something we are all guilty of your's truly included but try and keep threads on topic unless, 1) the thread is dead or 2) the thread naturally moves over to another topic. This rule is much more lax for joke threads, pop culture threads...etc.

2) Try to back up your opinions & theories.
You'll get a lot more respect if you can. Quotes from the books (of which you CANNOT read too much) are your best weapon. Quotes from interviews are semi-acceptable. Gut feelings are pseudo-acceptable. Whitecloak blind-faith is best submitted while wearing asbestos panties.

3) Feel free to get as emotionally involved as you'd like.
Discussions can get very heated. But try not to take things personally. Remember: we only insult the ones we love. Or the ones we eventually hand over to the Trollocs.

4) Be respectful.
A lot of people have been around Theoryland for a long time. Being a Youngling means you're new around here. We do understand that you may have been reading WoT forever, but if you're gonna pick a fight regarding a WoT theory with someone who's an Elder, Ancient or Hero, understand that they've been around for a while now, and probably have posting friends. And Tamyrlin is Lord of the Board for a reason: this whole place is his brainchild. Keep that in mind. They also have posting enemies.... a good little bit of information to tuck away.

Addendum to 4: This is an international community.
In regards to the Non-WoT discussion groups, please respect the opinions of people from nations and cultures other than your own, even if you disagree with them or the policies of their leaders and politicians. Try to remember that not everyone here has the same outlook or life experience that you might. If you want to send a letter or e-mail to anyone in particular to indicate any specific moral, educational, intellectual, or genetic deficiencies they may have, feel free. Just please don't do it here.

Addendum 1 to Addendum 4: Please no angry profanity.
If you really need to tell someone off, be creative. And replacing characters with @$$ does NOT constitute creativity. I like tend to like the Shakespearean approach myself. The smarter and more subtle you are with it, just makes the person look that much more an idiot.

Addendum 2 to Addendum 4: Please be nice to Newbies.
We were all new at one time you are one right now and there is no need to come down on anyone for asking questions that to the elder community may be basic knowledge. This is for you to remember after you've been here awhile.

Addendum 3 to Addendum 4: Please TRY not to feed the Trolls.
Trust me, it ain't easy at times, but ignore the obvious instigators. Just sit yourself down between the Heroes and Ancients sharpening the WTF Couch sticks. There are many on the board who know how to deal with this breed, leave them to it. It can be quite entertaining. If things get too offensive to the population in general, Mods will intervene. We like to try and use enough wit to neutralize the trollies without help...

5) Please don't use the New Users Forum to recruit.
We have plenty of room in the other forums for begging for support for factions, theories, and the TCA. Please let the newbies look around for a while before taking sides in any pseudo-battles. ~do not feel you MUST click on Lordy's sig links and join just cause he's Lordy... it's not mandatory, butt shhhh! I did not tell you that!

6) Most important: Have Fun!
We do this because we love it and like to think that we are, at least, reasonably intelligent. Hell, some of us have deluded ourselves into believing that we've evolved into supremely intelligent beings! Half the posters here believe that divine supremacy has already come to them! My vote is for Frenzy, and myself, of course. You know the Truth when you see it. Don't let T and her massive bag o' quotes fool you there are always ways to fight back! With your on bag o'quotes of course!

We will assume some intelligence on your part. You found us, didn't you? Until you prove otherwise…and there are many who have, you'll be safe. If you get hurt if you do prove otherwise, I will offer my one free Healing…but just that once. After that you get to meet a special pair of chains, Mwahahahaa

Remember, you EARN your respect here, it's not given out freely and some may never know the pleasure.

Welcome to our little rounded corner! It’s a great time!

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