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Old 02-20-2012, 08:28 PM
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Wasn't there a scene in New Spring where Moiraine was upset because she bound someone with air who was eventually shot by Ryne and/or Bukama? I infer from that that she probably wouldn't be able to hold the person in Air if she KNEW it was going to happen. But that could just be Moiraine's interpretation of the Oath.

I was thinking about the Bloodknives, too, and I figure I'll ask it here since it's been discussed in this thread already rather than start a new one for it.

I think RJ once said that the only ter'angreal the Seanchan could actively produce were the a'dam. I could be wrong but I'm too lazy to look this up right now. Let's just say that's the case. That would mean there's a limited amount of the Bloodknife rings. So, since the wearer will die after a few days once activating them...what happens to the rings after? Do they send like a random member of the Fists of Heaven on Bloodknife ring retrieval duty? You'd think they would want some way to secure them after. Can't just leave an important ter'angreal like that floating around, or worse, in enemy hands.
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Oh for the love of... the Aes Sedai don't operate on the basis of modern English Law! Their interpretation of the Oaths will depend on the moral and ethical currents of their time in their world. Judging that by modern human mores is pointless.
I merely used the law as a way of illustrating the point that binding someone against their will is a violent act with a weapon. That particular point seems like the kind of common sense an AS could come up with, but as professorskar pointed out, the answer is so often "it depends". Another AS might feel that in order for the power to be used as a weapon, it has to actively be harming someone, not merely touching them.
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Another AS might feel that in order for the power to be used as a weapon, it has to actively be harming someone, not merely touching them.
Pick up AS with Air. Carry AS up all the stairs of the White Tower. Hang AS over the edge. Let AS go.

Now the OP did not harm her, did it?
So was it used as a weapon, or not?

PS Especially with the second AS you do this to, shielding may be useful.
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Pick up AS with Air. Carry AS up all the stairs of the White Tower. Hang AS over the edge. Let AS go.

Now the OP did not harm her, did it?
So was it used as a weapon, or not?

PS Especially with the second AS you do this to, shielding may be useful.
I think that's what we're trying to work out, isn't it? As I said, according to the strictest interpretation, as soon as you've touched her with the power, you've used it as a weapon, but I then got told off for using the law as an example of this.
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