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Old 03-22-2012, 04:46 PM
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My list based on nothing but gut feelings I had in the books. And I do not care if it's completely wrong.

Rand
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Alivia
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Demandred
Semirhage
Sammael
Be'Lal
Cyndane
Rahvin
Graendal
Mazrim Taim
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Sharina Malloy
Nynaeve and Moghidien
Balthalmel/Aran'gar
Mesaana
Asmodean
Jahar Narishma

Rochiad, Kirsman, Gedwyn, Torval, Jonan Adley, Eben Hopwil, Fedwin Morr, Egwene, Elayne and Aviendha (This level represents the average strength for a man)

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Adeleas and Vandene

As for any other channeler, I really never bothered to rank them.
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Old 03-22-2012, 05:03 PM
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My list based on nothing but gut feelings I had in the books. And I do not care if it's completely wrong.

Rand
Ishamael/Moridin
Alivia
Lanfear
Demandred
Semiraghe
Sammael
Be'Lal
Cyndane
Rahvin
Graendal
Mazrim Taim
Logain
Aginor/Osan'gar
Sharina Malloy
Nynaeve and Moghidien
Balthalmel/Aran'gar
Mesaana
Asmodean
Jahar Narishma

Rochiad, Kirsman, Gedwyn, Torval, Jonan Adley, Eben Hopwil, Fedwin Morr, Egwene Elayne and Aviendha (This level represents the average strength for a man)

Damer Flinn
Nicola Treehill
Cadsuane

Siuan, Moiraine, Merise, Elza, Myrelle, Beldine, Joline, Elaida, Leane, Amys, Melaine, Sheriam, Romanda, Lelaine, Alviarin, Naeff and Androl (this level represents the average strength for a woman)

Verin
Teslyn and Edesina

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Characters below this line are incapable of making gateways

Adeleas and Vandene

As for any other channeler, I really never bothered to rank them.
Aginor/Osan'gar has to be moved up, probably all the way up to third on the list (just behind Ishamael/Moridin). Demandred seems to make the most sense as being at essentially this same level, or else just slightly below Aginor, but still above Lanfear. Everything else could be fine, but frankly, Semirhage seems too high, and Graendal and Cyndane too low. Easier to compare men and women separately, after all, Taim and Logain (and Asmodean...) could well be stronger than any woman not named Lanfear.
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Sharina should be significantly higher.
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Old 03-22-2012, 10:01 PM
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Sharina should be significantly higher.
Sharina is stronger than Nynaeve, but anything beyond that is unclear.

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She is clearly stronger than Nynaeve, but anyone else stronger than Nynaeve, could also be stronger than or equal to Sharina. Mind you, that's not a long list, but it does mean that there is some uncertainty. After all, those speculators haven't crossed paths with the Forsaken, so their only point of comparison is Nynaeve.
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We can surmise that there is at least one level between Nynaeve and Sharina because Lanfear was also as strong as it is possible for a woman to be, and there is a level between her and Graendal (Cyndane).
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Sharina is stronger than Nynaeve, but anything beyond that is unclear.

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She is clearly stronger than Nynaeve, but anyone else stronger than Nynaeve, could also be stronger than or equal to Sharina. Mind you, that's not a long list, but it does mean that there is some uncertainty. After all, those speculators haven't crossed paths with the Forsaken, so their only point of comparison is Nynaeve.
But when "they" rated nyn, there were able to rate where she stood despite not having a basis to compare and even rated Elayne and Egwene as accurately. And they could rate the choedan kal without using it. And AS having been linking and forming circles since before the WT. And using sa'angreal. So some must have handled more of the OP than sharina could ever draw.

I don't see how they can be mistaken about it. I think the problem may have to do with the possibility itself-they find it difficult to accept anyone can be that powerful. At least that's how I see it.
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Old 03-23-2012, 10:13 AM
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But when "they" rated nyn, there were able to rate where she stood despite not having a basis to compare and even rated Elayne and Egwene as accurately.
But those were closer to their known frame or reference: their own ability. The further you are extrapolating, the less accurate it becomes.
Example: I can estimate to within one meter how far away my computer screen is from me, but I can't even guess to within one kilometer how far* away Moscow is from me.

* As the neutrino flies, of course. None of that darkfriend crow business for me.
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We can surmise that there is at least one level between Nynaeve and Sharina because Lanfear was also as strong as it is possible for a woman to be
Still making an assumption that what said characters think is "as strong as it is possible for a woman to be" is accurate. If there was such a precisely known threshold, it wouldn't be "speculation" that Sharina was there. Either she'd read 9001 on the scouter or she wouldn't. Either Word of God says they're at that limit, or they simply think they are (Lanfear, arrogant? no wai).

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