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They could do WoT with animation instead. As long as it's done well, that shouldn't be a bad thing.
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Considering all the movies where they try to animate characters to look like actors (the Polar Express among others), I can imagine that the results of an animation can be quite good as long as the voice actors live long enough to make the entire series.
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Considering all the movies where they try to animate characters to look like actors (the Polar Express among others), I can imagine that the results of an animation can be quite good as long as the voice actors live long enough to make the entire series.
That's a big advantage of doing animation. We have a story that spans about 2-3 years and even if they compress the story, it will be hard to get it done in 10 years. The actors playing the young characters (Rand, Perrin, Mat, Egwene, Nyneave, Elaine, etc) would age so much faster than their characters that it wouldn't very believable. The Harry potter movies had the advantage that each book spans 1 year so all they had to do was make 1 movie per year and the actors would age at the same rate as their characters.

With voice actors you don't have to worry about how old your actors are/look
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I think WoT would work better as a TV series. Movies would either end up long as hell or so heavily cut that it wouldn't really be WoT anymore.

On the issue of live-action vs animated I'd prefer live-action, but the effects for shadowspawns and channeling added to the cost of the cast of thousands... it would bomb after season 2 either because it's too expensive to keep going or too poor quality to keep raitings. So animation would probably work better. Especially if it's done in Japanese style. Man those Myrddraal would be scary.

What would be cut? Now that depends on episode length. With 25 min episode length the first episode would probably be prologue and chapters 1-4 and a bit of chapter 5. TBC at the point where Trollocs come a knocking at the al'Thor farm. Some character intros would be pushed to episode two when Rand and Tam get back to Emond's Field. Thom and Lan easily, possibly Egwene and even Perrin, Nynaeve's might go all the way to Baerlon. Rand, Mat, Moiraine and Fain would have to be introduced in episode one along with some minor characters. That I think would be the first episode pretty much. LTT and Ishy bit, Rand sees the Myrddraal, Rand and Mat mess about in EF, Moiraine and Fain get introduced, Rand and Tam get back to the farm, Trollocs smash the door in, TBC add as many character intros as time allows. 45 min episodes would probably stay truer to details but in the end it would just be the same stuff two 25 min episodes had in them. The main difference would be that the character intros would be in the right places and the first episode ends where the second 25 min episode would have: at chapter 8 just after Tam has been healed when Rand is informed he has to leave TTR.
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And in order to stay on topic, I think WoT would be much easier to adapt and work much better as an animated TV series, but then I think you'd lose a lot of potential audience who may class it as a children's series.
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Good point Fig, but I think you could get around that simply by putting the very scary myrddraal in everything that promotes the show
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Good point Fig, but I think you could get around that simply by putting the very scary myrddraal in everything that promotes the show
I, for one, severely dislike animation. But they raise good points about cost and special effects in a live production.
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Fair point. And a few Trollocs.
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Gonzo has a look at the Myrddraal in the BWB. It could work, perhaps.
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This is a topic I always think about during rereads. With GoT in season 2, I've noticed how things have to be cut or rearranged to keep the plot moving in an episodic format, to make sure everyone has something interesting going on. Like how you see very little of Arya traveling and interacting with Hot Pie and those guys, in pretty much one episode she went from on the road to Harrenhall.

As for WoT, as much as I'd like to see as faithful an adaptation as possible, there's a lot of things that could go. Many scenes not involving major characters, for example. Obviously not all of them, something like the Darkfriend social is important and interesting as well. But something like, say, Byar reporting to Pedron Niall in the prologue of The Dragon Reborn could probably go.

As for entire storylines, one I'd definitely cut would be Morgase's. Nothing is really lost if you remove all of the scenes of her escape and exile. Still have her be found by Perrin and all that, but if the audience found out at the same time as Perrin who she really is, I don't think there's that big of a loss.

Basically a lot of situations like that. Even Siuan/Min/Leane/Logain's story could be trimmed. Show them leave Tar Valon, and then show up in Salidar. We don't really need to see the trial of the lamp getting knocked over and burning the barn, hell, they have to explain all that to Sheriam and Co. anyway when they arrive.

Keep in mind I'm not saying that these things are meaningless or don't add to the books, but you have to be willing to trim the fat when you're talking about adapting something. Especially if you're talking movies and not a series. Remember, a movie is meant to be watched in one sitting, while a book the size of WoT is certainly not. And there's a lot of characters in Wheel of Time, and that can be confusing to people as well. Again to reference GoT season 2, the Mara and Jojen Reed were probably left out just because the producers probably thought it would be too much for people to follow (they changed the names of Robert Arryn and Asha Greyjoy because they thought people would get confused after all). If WoT was adapted into another medium, I wouldn't be surprised to see some characters combined, or even left out and their role adopted by a different one to keep the head count down.
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Certain characters are left out for entire books, and certain important characters (particularly the Forsaken) make only rare and obscure appearances so as to not give too much away, which means they'd probably constantly be recasting them.

I think an anime would be awesome, as long as they don't make everyone look androgynous.
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I think it's highly unlikely any of us would be totally happy with whatever adaptation was produced.

I'd watch it anyway tho *grins*
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...but then I think you'd lose a lot of potential audience who may class it as a children's series.
Yup, because for some unfathomable reason the west forgot that animation can tell stories for all ages, and often times better than live-action.

EDIT: I think I need to make myself more clear. The west didn't forget that animation can tell stories for all ages, it simply forgot that animation doesn't have to be aimed at mainly younger audiences. Pixar does great all-ages animation, and Disney proper can do it from time to time as well, but the target is still children. The west has forgotten that you can use animation to tell a story aimed at an older audience as the primary.
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I think it's highly unlikely any of us would be totally happy with whatever adaptation was produced.

I'd watch it anyway tho *grins*
Same here, even if I'd regret it later, like with the Dragon Ball Z live action adaptation abortion. I watched, expected it to be bad, and was still shocked by how much they bastardized it, for lack of a better word.
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I'd love to see a motion-capture type thing - like they did recently with Tintin - but again, $.

On the other hand - going by fanart, they would likely end up casting Rand by the actor's sixpack quality rather than anything else.

I'm trying to work out if the middling scenes with Domon/Egeanin and that Seeker thing could be cut. A lot of time could be saved in CoS-KoD by just flicking swiftly through various povs, to be true. I was pissed when they cut Bombadil from LotR, but mostly because they replaced it with Arwen nonsense. (I cut a lot of incoherent rambling out of this para. It's late.)

I think they'd be nuts to cut the sister-bonding scene in WH though. Think of the viewership drop!
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Some plot lines could be drastically shortened.
Examples are
Perrin's storyline after leaving Rand in ACoS until rescuing Faile.
Elayne's storyline after separating from Nynaeve & co.

Some persons and their stories could be completely dropped.
Examples are
Aram
Egeanin
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Valan Luca (unless Felix is correct)
Olver (unless he does something spectacular in the last one)
Amys and Sorilea could be combined (unless DF)

Some nobles could be combined into fewer people (both in Tear, Cairhien and Andor)
Some Aes Sedai could be combined (so that not 15 AS does one substantial thing each, better if 5 does three things each)
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