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View Poll Results: Who is the Broken Wolf?
Rand 9 22.50%
Lan 3 7.50%
Perrin 4 10.00%
Ituralde 9 22.50%
Bashere 3 7.50%
Hopper 4 10.00%
Boundless/Noam 0 0%
Elyas 0 0%
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For me, the idea that Rand is the "broken wolf" doesn't pass the gut check test. Other characters are more prominently connected with wolves, so it's probably one of those other characters referred to in the dark prophesies.
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Maybe Brandon will provide another clue before release.
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The problem is, if there are no Prophesies about Fain, then that means the Pattern anticipated him sidestepping the Patter, which means it should have been able to foretell that.
Why would it?

Fain was fairly irrelevant to the bigger picture until he merged with Mordeth.

Foretellings are almost never about details. The details can change massively. Fain used to be a detail.

Also, Mordeth was a "ghost" or at least dead and disembodied but not in the soul pool for some reason. We have no idea if and how non-Hero dead people are dealt with by the Wheel (they don't have a life thread in the pattern, that's how much we know), let alone the soul of someone who died but somehow managed to escape the normal afterlife...

That's most likely one of the factors that turned Fain into a wildcard. One major factor is how insane he's become. The Wheel works by input/feedback. Someone who's insane becomes much less controllable, because the decision making is often totally irrational. The Wheel pulls in one direction to try to obtain one result, the madman reacts irrationally and screws it up. It's very difficult to apply any corrective mechanism on someone like this. With Fain it's far worse, as there are two wills in play. The Wheel pulls Fain in one direction, but it's Mordeth who calls the next shot...

Prophecies have surfaced connected to Mashadar/SL (re: the Cleansing) but no prophecy is connected to Fain, that we know of.

The big question is whether Fain is nearly big enough a wildcard to make prophecies derail, and if he is, if he is enoug of a wildcard to make prophecies involving ta'veren derail (which would be far more difficult).
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Except we know that prophecies are invulnerable unless the Pattern is destroyed. I don't think we would have been told that if there were exceptions.
Didn't Moiraine say that a prophecy could fail if the one mentioned in the prophecy was killed before completing it.
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And his destruction shall bring fear and sorrow to the hearts of men, and shall shake their very will itself.
This is the key descriptor to me for the prophecy. The list of people on the Light that would cause such fear/sorrow is pretty damn small. Basically, IMHO, it comes down to Perrin or Rand with Rand being the far more obvious choice as the Light expects Rand to die AT the last battle, not before it as it seems he will.

My money is on Rand dying at Merrilor somehow and Mat saving the day by forging a truce as all the key people involved trust him (Egwene, Elayne, Nynaeve all respect him as he has saved them and they know his worth, Perrin does as well and Mat is the only Randlander who can bring the Seanchan in.) Even Bashere respects him significantly due to his military abilities. The Aiel respect him as the man who took down Couladin. Sorry for the tangent but that's how I see it going down. Rand will die within the first 100 pages of ToM (not counting prologue pages obviously).
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That said, it is possible to interpret the "... his destruction ..." not as Fain being destroyed, but as Fain being the destroyer. That would seem to make the rest of it (apart from the sidestepping nitpick) quite believable.
This actually brings an interesting angle to interpreting this. From this perspective, would someone like Isam/luc also be viable?
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