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Old 10-30-2012, 10:23 AM
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I was reading Chapter 13 of Lord of Chaos last night and this quote from Elayne quoting Lini: "What you need is not always what you want" struck me bc not 15 mins later, I hear The Rolling Stones song "You Can't Always Get What You Want" with the lyrics:

You can't always get what you want
You can't always get what you want
You can't always get what you want
But if you try sometimes well you just might find
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These lyrics seemed appropriate for the rest of the chapter's focus on finding the bowl. Just thought I would share this amusing little tidbit, I wonder if RJ was a Rolling Stones fan?

Are there any other Lini-isms out there that point to popular music for their origins?
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"You can’t put honey back in the comb, child."
May be a reference to Lend Me Your Comb by The Beatles, but I sort of doubt it.

"You counted your plums in the basket, not on the tree."
I can't find either a Beatles or a Rolling Stones song for this.

"Fretting makes your face blotchy."
This one, I think, I'll leave as an exercise for others.

There's lots of others, but I am starting to suspect already that Lini got at least some of her inspiration elsewhere.
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"You can’t put honey back in the comb, child."
May be a reference to Lend Me Your Comb by The Beatles, but I sort of doubt it.

"You counted your plums in the basket, not on the tree."
I can't find either a Beatles or a Rolling Stones song for this.

"Fretting makes your face blotchy."
This one, I think, I'll leave as an exercise for others.

There's lots of others, but I am starting to suspect already that Lini got at least some of her inspiration elsewhere.
A for effort. The quotes about men will no doubt be a Gloria Gaynor or Tina Turner song if I had to guess.
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I wonder if RJ was a Rolling Stones fan?
Everyone in my(and RJ's)age group (vietnam vets, especially) were certainly bombarded by the Rolling Stones if not dedicated fans. You Can't Always Get What You Want was one of the iconic songs of the Vietnam era because of Armed Forces Radio play -- what everyone in Vietnam wanted was to go home; preferably in one piece.

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Are there any other Lini-isms out there that point to popular music for their origins?
Can't think of anything at the moment, but the WOT is full of connections to the 60s and 70s.
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Everyone in my(and RJ's)age group (vietnam vets, especially) were certainly bombarded by the Rolling Stones if not dedicated fans.

Musically


Many Elvis song connections to the World of Time -- 50's, 60's, and early 70's
AC/DC -- 70's and 80's.
Beatles -- 60's, early 70's
Smokey Robinson -- 70's, 80's
Alice Cooper -- 60's, 70's, 80's
Jim Morrison -- late 60's, early 70's

Guns N Roses' "Appetite for Destruction" album -- 1987.
Def Lepard's " Hysteria" album -- 1987.

More loosely 'King Crimson' comes to mind, as well, when thinking of Matrim Cauthon's character.


Literature, to name a few

King James Bible, and related texts
Mahabharata
Robert A. Heinlein
Masonic literature
A Thousand and One Nights
Ovid
Steven King writings
Dahomey Amazons (Fon) literature
Sigmund Freud
Carl Gustav Jung


A Television Series

Dallas.
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i found an old book from my grandfather's box and i am convinced it served as RJ artistic influences for the Wheel of Time.

Our Man Flint - the book by Jack Pearl
the movie has slight differences from the book but one can also observe other elements assimilated in the Wheel

The elements where the similarities noted are as follows:
general plotline-
Thom Merrilin
Tower of Ghenjei
weather control
13x13
Aviendha

James Coburn as Flint: "Now, repeat after me... I am not a pleasure unit... I am not a pleasure unit."
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