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Old 04-24-2012, 01:52 AM
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Yes, but why would the the Wise Ones on Rand's side be afraid then to enter into the Shaido Wise One's normal dreams? Why would Ishmael be able to enter into the boys' normal dreams and effect the physical world?
As for why Amys and friends are avoiding the Shaido's dreams, I have read somewhere (do not how the books here at work and Google did not help) that strong feelings can get you pulled into another's dreams.
Strong feelings can mean both love and hatred and while Egwene had a pleasant encounter with Gawyn, the "Rand Wise Ones" could get pulled by hatred into a Shaido's dream. I do not believe that would be as nice Egwene's and it is therefore they avoid them.

Someone could perhaps help find a section where this is discussed?
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There's a t in Chastity. Why do I know this? That secret belongs to others. Also Cher wrote a song about her. Okay, I will be quite now. I mean quiet.


Chastity Sun, you are the one
That can make me smile
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The tinkers havs had an influx of new members to their group for a couple of thousand years and the aiel haven't (except for Tigraine). The resulting effect would be that aiel would probably be significantly more similar in appearance.

If I'm wrong please point it out. I always want to expand my knowledge on these subjects.
The Aiel do welcome gleemen into the Waste, and let them travel around wherever they like to go. Musicians being the way they are, I suspect that would result in a fairly steady supply of outside genes for the Aiel.
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In tEotW, Lan breaks a knife against the broken pieces of the Seal. The knife did not just stop. The force was not merely absorbed. The Seal was just super hard.

I don't remember the exact quote, but it was something like "Whatever force is used against it just makes it stronger". It didn't say it absorbed the force, merely that it becomes stronger when force is applied to it.

On a side note: If the above is true, why didn't the "Watcher of the Seals" constantly, or at least regularly, channel against the Seals to make them stronger? Seems to be a no brainer. Between The BReaking and The Trolloc Wars where they were lost, seems like they could have made the Seals super-duper-extra-ultra-fantastically-strong, and prevent the DO from breaking free. Or, for that matter, once the Seals are found again, just channel into them until they get stronger. Nyn had one for quite some time and was afraid to carry it for fear of breaking it. So, maybe a weak weave to tap against the Seal. Rinse and repeat until it is no longer soft enough to cut. Then, increase the power of the weave. Rinse and repeat until you hammer at the thing with Balefire (which, BTW, doesn't seem to destroy Cuendillar objects).
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In tEotW, Lan breaks a knife against the broken pieces of the Seal. The knife did not just stop. The force was not merely absorbed. The Seal was just super hard.

I don't remember the exact quote, but it was something like "Whatever force is used against it just makes it stronger". It didn't say it absorbed the force, merely that it becomes stronger when force is applied to it.

On a side note: If the above is true, why didn't the "Watcher of the Seals" constantly, or at least regularly, channel against the Seals to make them stronger? Seems to be a no brainer. Between The BReaking and The Trolloc Wars where they were lost, seems like they could have made the Seals super-duper-extra-ultra-fantastically-strong, and prevent the DO from breaking free. Or, for that matter, once the Seals are found again, just channel into them until they get stronger. Nyn had one for quite some time and was afraid to carry it for fear of breaking it. So, maybe a weak weave to tap against the Seal. Rinse and repeat until it is no longer soft enough to cut. Then, increase the power of the weave. Rinse and repeat until you hammer at the thing with Balefire (which, BTW, doesn't seem to destroy Cuendillar objects).
This is assuming that the physical strength is what is keeping the dark one locked up which is quite silly. It's more likely that the physical seals could have been anything and cuellindar was chosen so the seals don't get lost and destroyed by mistake.
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The Aiel do welcome gleemen into the Waste, and let them travel around wherever they like to go. Musicians being the way they are, I suspect that would result in a fairly steady supply of outside genes for the Aiel.
Gleemen aren't stupid. The only non aiel we have seen sleep with an Aiel woman and live are Matt and Rand and look at what they had to go through before and after the deed.
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Cortar, you are my hero.

Long live Taimandred.

Also, Cuendillar blades must be less advantageous than Power-wrought blades, or that's what Heron-mark blades would look like.
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Old 10-03-2012, 05:24 AM
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Gleemen aren't stupid. The only non aiel we have seen sleep with an Aiel woman and live are Matt and Rand and look at what they had to go through before and after the deed.
True, I think, as far as it goes. It doesn't go all that far, though:
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Rummaging in the cabinets by touch, he pulled out butchering knife. Disposing of a whole corpse would be difficult, but luckily the dead did not bleed much; the robe would absorb what little there was. Maybe he could find the woman who had left the note under his door. If she was not pretty enough, she must have friends who were also Darkfriends. Natael would not care if it was an Aiel woman who visited him Kadere would rather have bedded a viper himself; Aiel were dangerous and maybe an Aiel would have a better chance than Isendre against Aviendha. Kneeling, he hummed quietly to himself as he worked, a lullaby that Teodora had taught him.
This suggests, but does not quite explicitly spell out, that the gleeman Jasin Natael had slept with Aiel before.
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Maybe Cuendillar is too heavy? Or maybe there was some really strict rules about what could be made into Cuendillar. It supposedly lasts forever, so they wouldn't want to flood the world with things that will never disappear. They also are coming from an age of peace, where swords is merely a game. So, making a Cuendillar sword would imply a permenance to the fighting needed to be done. They were hoping the fighting would stop at some point and they could melt down the swords and turn them into something else.
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This remains my favourite needlessly tortured theory.

I can't wait till AMoL comes out so I can explain how obvious it is that it's still true.
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"Cuendillar, " Moiraine said. "Heartstone. No one has been able to make it since the Age of Legends, and even then it was made only for the greatest purpose. Once made, nothing can break it. Not the One Power itself wielded by the greatest Aes Sedai who ever lived aided by the most powerful sa'angreal ever made. Any power directed against heartstone only makes it stronger."
although Moiraine has been proven wrong before, or misguided, or misinformed, it is repeated throughtout the books that cuendillar is unbreakable.

However, when I found this quote I was struck by the bolded part as it SCREAMS Lanfear (enhanced as we know she is - heheheh - to be the most powerful, ever) and her possibly finding a way to break cuendillar. Dunno, just found it interesting and wondered if it was a loose thread or not, or if it in fact shows she will be the one to help Rand use Callandor. And use it how? To finally break all the seals.

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Lanfear isn't Aes Sedai, so I am probably wrong
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I think Aiel was a job discription during the AOL. Perhaps, there were different kinds of Aiel. After all, in the terangral, during the AOL, the Aiel who who served and were sent away with the OP toys, were the Da'Shain Aiel. It is only after wandering that they became referred to simply as Aiel, which broke furt her into Jenn, Aiel, and Tuathan.

Aiel Bloodlines are basically inbred traits. They did not accept/mix with others after they picked up the spear.

Tu'Athan accept all who wish to join, young men or women, i.e. the whole stealing children stereotype. However, if someone had joined for a while, and then left because they did not like it, genetic legacy could have still been passed. Spouses/lovers leave families all the time. They also would have taken in refugees.

While I will not say a will not say a Tinker girl is "as forward as a farmgirl at harvest", the do know the Tingaza, and the Sa'Sara.
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I can tell a guy started this thread because of the interest in Egwene's virginity.. lol
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