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Old 09-05-2012, 04:13 PM
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Thanks Terez.
So, not a DF, then.

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I was always under the impression he was the one that Grendael mentioned having control over, perhaps just speculation on my part. I haven't read TOM since it came out, but there wasn't any definite confirmation there?
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D00d! You are waaaaay behind the curve on this, speculating w/out having read ToM is like, um, jumping out of the plane w/out a chute? Seriously hombre, get the book. Just saying.
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Thanks Terez.
So, not a DF, then.

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Compulsion seems likely.
And probably not much. Byar wouldn't need much. Case in point: Ituralde. And another quote, from the same chapter:

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Hmmm, since one can't read a book before it comes out, I logically, (though perhaps erroneously) read that to mean Tollingtoy has not read ToM.

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"Haven't read TOM since it came out", meaning that I only read it one time
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Thanks Terez, makes sense.

Last wrinkle to this thread. Any suspicion around Dain Bornhald? RJ spends an awful lot of time talking about how different he is and how drunk and derelict he has become. Is that purely because of his dad and the battles in the Two Rivers?
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I think the take-away from TOM is that Dain Bornhald is pretty face value. He was a bit of a prick before his dad died, but after that he was a mess because he took it badly. Byar was always the crazy one, and it was Dain's misfortune that his father chose Byar to relay the message of his death. Incidentally Dain also had a run-in with Rand (and Mat) in Baerlon. Eventually he saw all of them including Perrin at the gate, but he doesn't appear to have remembered that when he sees Perrin again. But maybe he would remember Rand, the blademaster who stood him down in Baerlon. Rand wasn't a blademaster yet, but he was suffering from post-Bela syndrome and feeling a little cocky, so he bluffed it fairly well.
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I agree that Dain is pretty much 'what you see is what you get' (at least as far as future plot threads go), but one thing that isn't mentioned all that often is that Dain may be feeling some guilt covering up the murders of Perrin's family. Fain did it, but it might be seen as the Whitecloaks under Dain. Maybe Dain was projecting or something, he needed to believe that Perrin killed Geofram (so it's an eye for an eye), because otherwise, his guilt might overwhelm him.
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I think Dain is a low-tertiary character that will have a specific semi-vital part to play in AMoL.

An example is the primary characters are Rand, Mat, Perrin, Egwene, Nynaeve,Avienda, Min Ishmael/Moriden, Shaidar Haran, Fain, Moraine.

Secondaries are, but not limited to: Lan, Loial, Tom, Galad, Gawyn, Elyas, Tuon, Morgase, Bashere, Siuan, Cadsuanne, Taim, various senior/prominant Aes Sedai, Sorilea, the Chosen

Tertiaries might be: Egeannin/Leilwan, Bayle Doman, Julian, Dain, Logain, Dobraine, Less prominant AS/Ashaman, Tylee Kirghan, Logain, Talannvor. Less prominant chosen.. Moghiedian.

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I think the teriary may/can rise to secondary, or secondary drop down as thier Plot line lessens or gets woven into something else. For example, who whould have imagined how much we would see of D.Bayle in the beginning. And Liandrin who seemed prominant is for the most part woven out, I think.
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If the Great Lord meant to make al’Thor Nae’blis, she herself would kneel to him – and wait for a slip to deliver him into her hands. Immortality meant infinite time to wait. There would always be other patients to amuse her in the meantime. What troubled her was Shaidar Haran. She had never been more than an indifferent tcheran player, but Shaidar Haran was a new piece on the board, one of unknown strength and purpose. And one daring way to capture your opponent’s High Counselor and turn it to your side was to sacrifice your Spires in a false attack. She would kneel if need be, for as long as need be, but she would not be sacrificed.
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