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Old 04-15-2014, 09:35 PM
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Terrific conversation at JordanCon by some of the authors in regards to Fairy Tales seemed pertinent to this discussion.

Lots of chat regarding WHAT IS a fairy tale, WHAT IS NOT, and how subjective the issues are/can be.

Thoroughly fascinating to hear the in depth thinking that goes on in author's minds.

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During that discussion, the ideas of the differences of scifi, fantasy and fairy tales came up.

Basically the three authors agreed that Fairy Tales (and most fantasy works) are the idea of a hidden world meeting a known world (ours).

SciFi has a setting all its own, and usually a magic system that is EXPLAINED.

One of the main concepts I took away was the idea of "Mystery vs. Secret". Something can be learned, vs. something that just is. SciFi has systems that can be learned (explained) while Fantasy just tends to "be".
I don't quite know where WoT falls in that division of the genres. Interesting, though. Is there a recording or transcription?
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I don't quite know where WoT falls in that division of the genres.
I would say that it is obvious: it is both.

Channeling can be learned. If you're good enough at the basics, at least, just as not everyone can learn mathematics or geography.
What people like Hurin, or someone like Min does, though, just is.

And thus we do see explanations of the use of the OP, people training to master it, but no such explanations for what Hurin and Min do, no training for them.

Which, now that I think on it, means that Harry Potter is SF too.
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I would say that it is obvious: it is both.

Channeling can be learned. If you're good enough at the basics, at least, just as not everyone can learn mathematics or geography.
What people like Hurin, or someone like Min does, though, just is.

And thus we do see explanations of the use of the OP, people training to master it, but no such explanations for what Hurin and Min do, no training for them.

Which, now that I think on it, means that Harry Potter is SF too.
WOT is fantasy, but not fairy tale/folkloric as they were defining it.

Harry Potter is Fantasy AND fairy tale as it is Our world colliding with Their world.

Sadly, it never occurred to me to tape the discussion. I wish I had. Terez and Marie were quite focused on the WoT discussions (& recording them), so they did not attend this particular panel. Someone was diligently taking notes on her computer near me, but I did not catch her name and did not recognize her.
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