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Old 12-13-2012, 12:36 AM
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I'm not at all sure how what you've mentioned above makes sense mythos-wise, but arc wise it's interesting. Dresden keeps thinking that he's got a handle on who the big bad is, but it keeps shifting on him (and us.) Vampires are the great evil! No, it's a shadow council, no it's fairies, no it really IS vampires! Wait, it's who we say here. I can't decide if Butcher has no idea where he's going from book to book or if he understands perfectly his end game and means to keep us guessing. Then again, I've read each of these exactly once, often via audiobook (which are awesome if you like audiobooks) while doing things that actually take concentration so I may have missed major foreshadowing items.
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I'm not at all sure how what you've mentioned above makes sense mythos-wise, but arc wise it's interesting. Dresden keeps thinking that he's got a handle on who the big bad is, but it keeps shifting on him (and us.) Vampires are the great evil! No, it's a shadow council, no it's fairies, no it really IS vampires! Wait, it's who we say here. I can't decide if Butcher has no idea where he's going from book to book or if he understands perfectly his end game and means to keep us guessing. Then again, I've read each of these exactly once, often via audiobook (which are awesome if you like audiobooks) while doing things that actually take concentration so I may have missed major foreshadowing items.
My feeling is he knows what he's heading towards now, but I wouldn't buy that he has done from the start (I don't actually know if anyone is trying to sell that though). I would guess the main enemy is the black council and the outsiders, though who is on top in that relationship (either the Black Council is using the outsiders as a stick to hit people with to further some other goal, or the Black Council think they're doing that but actually the Outsiders just want to get Inside). There's a few players left to shake out (dragons with unspellable names, the Denarians, maybe Mavra, probably others I'm forgetting)
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Still reading it. Still giggling at the Whatsup Dock.
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The only reason I took more than a few hours to read Cold Days is because I had to go to work and I laughed out loud so many times at that book. Especially when it comes to the Tao of Pratchett.
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I can't decide if Butcher has no idea where he's going from book to book or if he understands perfectly his end game and means to keep us guessing. Then again, I've read each of these exactly once, often via audiobook (which are awesome if you like audiobooks) while doing things that actually take concentration so I may have missed major foreshadowing items.
I think he's got it mapped out. Dresden's perspective, as you described it, fits perfectly. He's former small potatoes being shifted further and further out of his depth with each book. I'm a bit surprised that Cold Days is already introducing Outsiders, but what I'm reading between the lines suggests that there's far deeper waters to troll yet, and all of his friends will be going down there with him.
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I think the author even said that because we read the book from Harry's pov he can be wrong about things and he is a bit like WOT Mat in that he lies to himself about things.

I picked up the recent books first and am no starting from the begining with the first two done but that way its easy to see how much Harry has powered up over the series. Even pre Winter Knight gig Harry in at the beginng of changes had a lot more power that Harry book 1. It makes sense that he as he keeps peeling back layers of the onion he things this is it, finally I've figured who is pulling the strings where as in reality he is still working his way up the food chain and is yet to find who exactly is behing all the bad things that are going on.
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So, I've reread the entire series from start to the end of Skin Game. After finishing Skin Game, it's been bothering me... there's been a tone change since Changes.
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And Butters becoming a Jedi Knight of the Cross feels a bit like Jumping the Shark. I mean, I loved it, because I'm a total geek, but it felt ham-handed.


He seems to be going more silly and fairy-tale-ish, with more gods and bigger monsters than before. It's hard to put my finger on it.
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Gracias.

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