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Yeah, Patterson comes to mind. And Thomas Clancy. Those books only exist in airports. Possibly they spontaneously generate there.
Clive cussler. When its just his name on it, its a dirk pitt adventure.

Then you have clive cussler with...and there are three regular guys I think that write "with" him. And they are universally shit.
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Clive cussler. When its just his name on it, its a dirk pitt adventure.

Then you have clive cussler with...and there are three regular guys I think that write "with" him. And they are universally shit.
To tell you the truth, though, I'm getting tired of seeing Martin's books getting the place of honour in every single bookstore I enter (at least in the fantasy/sci-fi section). They're ok, but just because he managed to land a tv series (which I have yet to see) doesn't mean they're the acme of the fantasy genre. There's plenty of stuff out there better than Song of Ice and Fire.
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To tell you the truth, though, I'm getting tired of seeing Martin's books getting the place of honour in every single bookstore I enter (at least in the fantasy/sci-fi section). They're ok, but just because he managed to land a tv series (which I have yet to see) doesn't mean they're the acme of the fantasy genre. There's plenty of stuff out there better than Song of Ice and Fire.
The tv show is great if you can handle the completely gratuitous sex. Ive seen porn that is less graphic!

But I agree on the book thing. He is currently fantasies Dan Brown or E L James. I personally find him hard to read for first three books and the latter books are borderline offensively bad.
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To tell you the truth, though, I'm getting tired of seeing Martin's books getting the place of honour in every single bookstore I enter (at least in the fantasy/sci-fi section). They're ok, but just because he managed to land a tv series (which I have yet to see) doesn't mean they're the acme of the fantasy genre. There's plenty of stuff out there better than Song of Ice and Fire.
The first book was really good and you could even argue that his first 3 books were quite good (though Storm could have used an editor)...but then it went completely off the rails and he quickly revealed himself to be a one-trick pony who clearly has some serious issues with women and sexual exploitation in general.

And he's kind of an asshole too which doesn't help.
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Like what? I'm not saying there isn't good stuff out there, but what's "better" is going to be subjective no matter what. And ASOIAF was leading the genre in sales per book before the show was undertaken; that's part of how he managed to land the TV series, and the other part, that the series seems to represent the modern ideal of entertainment better than other series, is part of what led to the commercial success of the books in the first place.

I only wish they hadn't undertaken the show so long before the books were finished. They should have had a better idea of Martin's expected pace. The show will pass the books next year; in fact that has begun in small ways already.
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Like what? I'm not saying there isn't good stuff out there, but what's "better" is going to be subjective no matter what. And ASOIAF was leading the genre in sales per book before the show was undertaken; that's part of how he managed to land the TV series, and the other part, that the series seems to represent the modern ideal of entertainment better than other series, is part of what led to the commercial success of the books in the first place.

I only wish they hadn't undertaken the show so long before the books were finished. They should have had a better idea of Martin's expected pace. The show will pass the books next year; in fact that has begun in small ways already.
Ah T, you must admit the quality drops sharply after book 2?
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Ah T, you must admit the quality drops sharply after book 2?
That's true of most fantasy series.
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I feel awful saying this but Harry Turtledove is a guilty pleasure of mine. The books (his alternate American history series) aren't that great but they are a fun read...especially if you love Civil War history.
I do love Civil War history. Is your general aversion to fantasy history because it feels like it would be cheap and annoying to a fan of history non-fiction? I confess, that is what I thought when looking at them in a bookstore. I will check it out though.

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I thought Scott Lynch's Gentlemen Bastards series was rather good. Not like high literature or anything, but an amusing enough read. As these things tend to go with me, I picked up the first volume at an airport.
I looked it up, did you ever read Feist's riftwar saga? Does Lynch's thief remind you of Jimmy the Thief and the thief's guild in that series? Regardless, I will check it out.

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In your opinion, outside of WoT, what are your top fantasy series? This call goes out to anybody. I appreciate the interest in this thread.
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Not familiar with the Riftwar Saga, but I suppose I'll have to look into it now. I appreciated that Lynch actually has a sense of humour without being farcical, which is rather rare in this genre.

Tolkien will have to come first, for reasons that don't require further explanation. Then, of course, there is Pratchett's Discworld series (before the effects of his disease became too noticeable), though it's more of a subversion of the genre, of course. I'm very fond of all of Robin Hobb's books, but especially the Liveship Traders series. Then I'd have to say Donaldson's Chronicles of Thomas Covenant, Unbeliever (I found the later chronicles to be a bit disappointing).

Since I don't generally draw a firm distinction between fantasy and sci-fi, I'll also list David Brin's Uplift series (even though it's annoyingly liberal-universalistic at times). To stick with sci-fi, Asimov's original Foundation trilogy and Herbert's Dune (but only the first book, really), as well as Haldeman's Forever War. And finally, at the moment I'm rather eagerly awaiting the next installment of the Kingkiller Chronicles by Rothfuss.
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FWIW, I think you'd like them. I think you'd also like The Guns of The South by Turtledove which is more of a stand-alone alternate history. It's a little bit of an apologist history but then that's more because Turtledove like a ton of other Civil War buffs subscribes to the Douglas S. Freeman version of the Civil War. I like Freeman's histories a lot too, but I will admit they are a bit pro-Southern in perspective to say the least. His "Lee's Lieutenant's: A Study in Command" is a must-read though as is his multi-volume biography of RE Lee. Much of Turtledove's characterizations are based on Freeman's books from what I recall.

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I remember reading them years and years ago and I wonder if they hold up now as I was a younger teenager when I read them. I recall Feist did seem to keep going back to the well with them so I don't believe I've read them all at this point. The first few seemed good though. Your classic "young boy/man learns magic but he's 'different' than the others, etc etc". A fun read when I read them though.


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It doesn't get mentioned that much but I really liked CS Friedman's "The Coldfire Trilogy". I thought the magic system (The face) was really creative and well done...basically the planet was alive and it responded to emotions to create things. You could control it but there were major issues. There was also a neat sci-fi angle to it that I liked. Its only 3 books but it was a nice trilogy. It would have been cold if she had revisited it as there was potential for a sequel there.
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I remember reading them years and years ago and I wonder if they hold up now as I was a younger teenager when I read them. I recall Feist did seem to keep going back to the well with them so I don't believe I've read them all at this point. The first few seemed good though. Your classic "young boy/man learns magic but he's 'different' than the others, etc.
I think I mentioned this is in the what are you reading thread a few years ago but sometime in the last few years I went to thay part of my library thay contained childhood memories of fantasy reading. Eddings and Feist. They are enjoyable but for people writing on a jordan forum and discussing martin they have no place. They really feel "young adult-y".

Riftwar was good. Serpentwar was better. Everything after has gone downhill to the point where feist was churning out a book a year in the saga at the end. And the ending after all the yeaes id been reading them. Arghhhhh!!!
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I'm also quite a fan of the Dragonrider series by Anne McCaffrey, even though they get a little repetitive towards the end; and some are very obviously written as a protest against the developments in the 1960s and '70s. They're similar to Discworld in that after reading the first one or two, you can pretty much pick up any book set in that world, they're only loosely connected story-wise though some characters do make reccurring appearances.
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I've also read a number of Tom Holt's novels, but I've found him a bit uneven. Some of them I've liked a lot--I thought Flying Dutch was very clever--others, not so much. I recently picked up Mark Lawrence's Broken Empire trilogy. I really enjoyed the first one, but then came to find the constant use of flashbacks rather tiring, and I've now had Emperor of Thorns on my nightstand for several weeks and seem to be getting nowhere. It doesn't help that 1) the protagonist is so extraordinarily unsympathetic and 2) is another example of the genre's common trope of a ridiculously young but still superhumanly brilliant male main character.
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I'm also quite a fan of the Dragonrider series by Anne McCaffrey, even though they get a little repetitive towards the end; and some are very obviously written as a protest against the developments in the 1960s and '70s. They're similar to Discworld in that after reading the first one or two, you can pretty much pick up any book set in that world, they're only loosely connected story-wise though some characters do make reccurring appearances.
When I was mini-daek I grew up not far from Mrs. Mccaffrey. She was a lovely woman and put up with my nerdiness on the very few occasions I met her.
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Well that's very cool.

I don't read as much fantasy as I did when I was a kid, I'm not one for sticking to a particular genre now, I just read everything, basically.

However, I agree with most of what people have said here. Terry Pratchett is my equivalent of God, and I cannot recommend his works highly enough. They are quite fantasy to start with, but quickly develop into some of the most intelligent satire you will ever read. It's not necessary by any means to read them in order, although there are particular story arcs which you can follow and a quick google search will tell you which books belong with which and in what order.

I am also eagerly awaiting the next book in the Kingkiller Chronicles.

If we're talking sci-fi then yes the first Dune book, also Iain M Banks' Culture series is extremely readable and none of those are linked so you can dip in wherever you like. Use of Weapons is my favourite thus far. And a book which has always stuck with me and one I want to read again is Cyteen.
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Going back to the OP, I haven't heard of any of the ten books which made the list, but I quite fancy the last two.

Can anyone tell me, is Cloud Atlas worth reading? I see David Mitchell has made this list...I have a sample of Cloud Atlas on my kindle but it's not grabbed me enough to make me rush out and buy it...but then I've never let that put me off before. If someone tells me it's brilliant then I'll invest quite happily. I rarely come across a book I don't enjoy.
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