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Old 04-12-2015, 11:47 AM
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Most people would've called this point four. But I guess that environmental concerns led you to reuse "3".
That said, trial by combat was indeed a fairly dodgy idea. Still, you (probably) can't blame GRRM for that; he just plucked it from European history.
Didn't realize I did that. Oops.

And I can blame him for it, since he decided to "pluck it".

Plus you have at least 2 different belief systems in Westeros alone, with the New Gods of the Southern Kingdoms and the old nameless gods of the North that were adopted from the Children of the Forest thousands of years prior.
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One of my least favourite things about GRR Martin is that he says things like "I wanted a five year story gap between book 1and 2" or "in retrospect I wish I had started with the stark children older". Just how little planning did he put into these stories?? And as for the five year gap- you're the writer dill wad! If you wanted that- you could have done it. Ass.
To be fair, writing a book is hard, and writing a whole series of them is even harder. It isn't really possible to just write an outline and stick to it to a T through the course of 10 or 20 years without any desire to change it. In fact, I'd have even less respect for GRRM if he claimed that the version of asoiaf we have now is exactly as he planned it to be 15 years ago. RJ clearly did the same thing. If he'd had a clear-cut, highly detailed outline of the WOT in place before starting the series, he'd have written something like 8 books in 10 years and been done with it.

But it doesn't work like that. No author with even a shred of imagination or creativity is going to write an outline and stick to it religiously decades after it's done.
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But it doesn't work like that. No author with even a shred of imagination or creativity is going to write an outline and stick to it religiously decades after it's done.
That's clearly the case rand but he has written very young girls going through highly dubious acts. So if he found that he couldn't age them- change the story. As you said, it's a fluid process. It can be fluid in both directions. The defence of "imagination and creativity" not sticking to an outline falls down if he rigidly sticks to it in other ways..
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I tried to get into these books a few years back; in the end I just got annoyed with the constant PoV swapping and GRRM had this nasty habit of making a character interesting just before he killed them.

You get a backstory and a cool possible plot twists for the future and BAMN raped and dead.


that said there is a very easy way for him to fix these dodgy ages - just declare that years on his world are like 500 days instead

9 becomes 12
11 becomes 15
14 becomes 19

and you stop having that gary glitter feeling reading the books.
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I have to ask, after thinking it over, how was the relationship between Ned and Renly? Overall, that is. Because it was obvious Renly knew what would happen after his brother's death and told Ned what to do (this is also after watching this part in the TV series). Obviously he wanted help becoming the true king from the King's Hand, but I am curious to how he saw Ned.
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