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Old 08-22-2015, 03:56 AM
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Chapter by chapter discussions in class pretty much made sure any subtleties were less than subtle.
Wow. Is that a national thing or an era thing?

I'll use me as a counterpoint- I graduated secondary school in 1995. During my time in school these are the books and plays that we read thoroughly for class and had chapter by chapter summaries of:

1st year(12): roll of thunder hear my cry.
2nd year(13): the cay
3rd year(14): the merchant of Venice
At the end of third year we do a national exam.
4th year(15): the grapes of wrath
5th year(16): hard times
6th year(17): macbeth.

At the end Of 6th year we do a national exam. You do 7 subjects and get a points score based on your score. Maximum is 600. Then your course in college is determined by how high your score is.

Eg medicine 590~600 points.
Theoretical physics ~580 points
Engineering 400~500
A certificate in jam making 5 points.

The reason I say this is that all of the books I read lead to the exam and that for the first exam the three pieces had a theme of race relations and the 2nd had a theme of class structure. In America you guys seem to have had a much more reading centric course.

is that still the same? I have had quite a few Americans pass through my courses and they didn't strike me as "well read". That's not meat to be an insult. I'm just wondering if since you graduated Harold have they minimised the amount of reading and analysis????
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Possibly both?

I haven't had much to do with the public education system for more than 20 years. At the time my daughters graduated, there wasn't as extensive a reading list as I recall from my school days.

OTOH, I do recall that including "modern" novels and Science Fiction was a relatively new and controversial thing.
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Possibly both?

I haven't had much to do with the public education system for more than 20 years. At the time my daughters graduated, there wasn't as extensive a reading list as I recall from my school days.

OTOH, I do recall that including "modern" novels and Science Fiction was a relatively new and controversial thing.
Reading lists can vary a bit from school to school, and based on track, but this for instance is the reading list for the English IV Honors class that I'm teaching this year.

-Summer Reading: The Light Between the Oceans
-1st Quarter: Beowulf, The Picture of Dorian Gray
-2nd Quarter: Macbeth
-3rd Quarter: Frankenstein
-4th Quarter: Pride and Prejudice

And lots of poetry - English obviously, Fourth Year (Seniors) is Brit Lit. The non-Honors track senior year reads Kite Runner and Glass Castle instead of Frankenstein and Pride and Prejudice. Can't recall what AP reads off the top of my head. Junior year they read American authors mostly - the Transcendentalists, Gatsby, often some Hemingway, Catcher in the Rye, and Huck Finn. Sophomores read the more modern works - Thousand Splendid Suns, Shakespeare's Julius Caesar (not modern, but they tend to read one Shakespeare play each year, except Junior), Antigone, In the Time of the Butterflies, Night, The Kitchen Boy. Freshman usually read Midsummer Night's Dream, Of Mice and Men, the Odyssey, and the Alchemist. Each year they obviously also read quite a few short stories (Poe, etc) and poems (Frost, Coleridge, Wordsworth, etc).

The reading list I read in high school back in the 90s was quite different. Some of the obvious ones above were the same, but we also read 1984, Animal Farm, Brave New World, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland, All Quiet on the Western Front, The Stranger, A Modest Proposal, Oedipus Rex, Medea, Slaughterhouse 5, etc. - but those are the ones that immediately come to mind. All those should be required reads still in my opinion, but the world moves on...

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Hey tam, did you decide to let your 11 year old read the Wheel?
She started and then told me that it was a bit too big to try right now. So, I pushed a little, but she has become fascinated with writing her own series now. I'll try again in six months and see what comes of it.


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As for that list you posted- a lot of those novels would fly over most children and young adults heads.
Yeah, that's what it seemed like when I looked it over, and I realized I had not read a bunch of them either...so it is turning into a good list for me.

I've read a bunch of Roald Dahl books to my girls recently, and now we just started Where the Red Fern Grows.
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Reading lists can vary a bit from school to school, and based on track, but this for instance is the reading list for the English IV Honors class that I'm teaching this year.

-Summer Reading: The Light Between the Oceans
-1st Quarter: Beowulf, The Picture of Dorian Gray
-2nd Quarter: Macbeth
-3rd Quarter: Frankenstein
-4th Quarter: Pride and Prejudice

And lots of poetry - English obviously, Fourth Year (Seniors) is Brit Lit. The non-Honors track senior year reads Kite Runner and Glass Castle instead of Frankenstein and Pride and Prejudice. Can't recall what AP reads off the top of my head. Junior year they read American authors mostly - the Transcendentalists, Gatsby, often some Hemingway, Catcher in the Rye, and Huck Finn. Sophomores read the more modern works - Thousand Splendid Suns, Shakespeare's Julius Caesar (not modern, but they tend to read one Shakespeare play each year, except Junior), Antigone, In the Time of the Butterflies, Night, The Kitchen Boy. Freshman usually read Midsummer Night's Dream, Of Mice and Men, the Odyssey, and the Alchemist. Each year they obviously also read quite a few short stories (Poe, etc) and poems (Frost, Coleridge, Wordsworth, etc).

The reading list I read in high school back in the 90s was quite different. Some of the obvious ones above were the same, but we also read 1984, Animal Farm, Brave New World, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland, All Quiet on the Western Front, The Stranger, A Modest Proposal, Oedipus Rex, Medea, Slaughterhouse 5, etc. - but those are the ones that immediately come to mind. All those should be required reads still in my opinion, but the world moves on...
some of it overlaps, but the differences are quite interesting. we got for the three years of HS (in no particular order):

3 Estonian classics (Truth and Justice, The Emperor's Madman, Goodbye Yellow Cat)
1 Finnish classic (Seven Brothers)
1 Norwegian classic (forget the name of it... something about farming. very dark and somber)
Tolstoy - choice between Anna Karenina or War and Peace
Dostoyevski - choice between Crime and Punishment or Brothers Karamazov or The Idiot
Pushkin, Lermontov - poetry (that one IN Russian, thankyouverymuch)
Goethe - Faust
Shakespeare - Hamlet, Romeo and Juliet, Midsummer Night Dream. Either read or go see the play (films don't count)
Decameron - (pick any 10 stories)
Hesse - Siddhartha or Steppewolf
Marquez - 100 years of solitude
Bulgakov - Master and Margarita
Camus - the myth of sysophos (hated it)
that other French existentialist - something (hated that too)
Kurt Vonnegut - Slaughterhouse 5 or Breakfast of Champions
Robinson Crusoe or Don Quixote (I somehow managed to not read either of those)
Hardy - Tess of the D'Urbervilles (or however you spell that)
Dickens - David Copperfield (just book 1, thank goodness)
Brontė sisters - either Jane Eyre or Wuthering Heights... or was it both? now that I think of it, it might have been both.
Victor Hugo - Les Miserables
Remarque - All quiet on the Western Front
Hemingway - For Whom the Bell Tolls
Wilde - Picture of Dorian Gray and The Importance of Being Earnest
Maugham - Moon and the Sixpence
Catcher in the Rye, to the Lighthouse ( forget the authors, sorry...)
more poetry: Estonian ones, Burns, Shelley, Byron, um... Whitman, I think.
Shaw - Pygmalion
Beckett - Waiting for Godot
Kafka - Process or the Castle
Orwell - 1984 or Animal Farm
Golding - Lord of the Flies


I'm sure I'm forgetting some important ones...
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http://www.bustle.com/articles/84676...them-a-million

Definitely a bit skewed towards "Young Adult" books, but an interesting list.
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Definitely a bit skewed towards "Young Adult" books, but an interesting list.
"Fans of Rowling ' s realistic and complex female characters"

I must have read the wrong Rowling books.
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"Fans of Rowling ' s realistic and complex female characters"

I must have read the wrong Rowling books.
Or maybe you just don't know the right females.

That said, I have to admit that I haven't read a single book from that list, and I do not really feel I've missed out on it either.
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