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Old 09-23-2015, 04:58 PM
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The big problem with an independent Kurdistan is the same one that exists with Palestina: international recognition. Until that one is solved, there's no way one can seriously consider those Kurdish regions to be an actual state. And such recognition won't happen as long as Turkey, Syria, Iraq and Iran oppose it, as they do now.
Syria isn't really Syria anymore. A large part of it is in a multi sided civil war. The Kurds there are one of the major players. Iraq isn't in much better shape, and the Kurds there actually fought back against ISIS. Iran is actually helping out with the ISIS issue, but haven't heard much on their view of a Kurdish state. Turkey, well, if Erdogan gets kicked out of office and a saner man takes his place, they may be able to work things out.
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Syria isn't really Syria anymore. A large part of it is in a multi sided civil war. The Kurds there are one of the major players. Iraq isn't in much better shape, and the Kurds there actually fought back against ISIS. Iran is actually helping out with the ISIS issue, but haven't heard much on their view of a Kurdish state. Turkey, well, if Erdogan gets kicked out of office and a saner man takes his place, they may be able to work things out.
We are actually the larger problem (both with the Kurds and with Palestine) than the countries Gonzo mentioned (or than Israel, vis-a-vis Palestinian independence - due to our constant use of our veto in the UN). We've resisted full independence for the Kurds in Iraq because we've held tenaciously to an illusion of a unified Iraq. Allowing them to walk away would forever shatter the mirror of mists that Bush ineptly wove.

It's long since time to admit that we broke it, and like Humpty, it can't be put back together.
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Syria isn't really Syria anymore. A large part of it is in a multi sided civil war. The Kurds there are one of the major players. Iraq isn't in much better shape, and the Kurds there actually fought back against ISIS. Iran is actually helping out with the ISIS issue, but haven't heard much on their view of a Kurdish state. Turkey, well, if Erdogan gets kicked out of office and a saner man takes his place, they may be able to work things out.
Syria and Iraq as they existed from Sykes-Picot no longer exist. The lines have been redrawn regardless of whether the West admits it. For better or worse, Kurdistan and the Islamic State are De Facto nations now and Syria is a rump state that controls only a tiny amount of its former territory.
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Iran is actually helping out with the ISIS issue, but haven't heard much on their view of a Kurdish state.
They have a bit of a NIMBY approach. Which is sort of understandable, since some part of that new Kurdistan would be what is now still part of Iran.
In the Iraq-Iran war (called the Gulf War until Bush senior hijacked the term for his own purposes), the Iranians were helping Iraqi Kurds (who were then gassed by Saddam), and Saddam was helping Iranian Kurds (who just got clobbered conventionally by Iran).

Kurdistan, one might say, is a contentious issue.

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Dav, Iraq may have some problems (of the Black Knight variety) right now, but the USA has promised to help protect its territorial integrity. Reneging on that promise would not improve the US's credibility.
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Dav, Iraq may have some problems (of the Black Knight variety) right now, but the USA has promised to help protect its territorial integrity. Reneging on that promise would not improve the US's credibility.
Why renege? Just drag your feet. US credibility is pretty much shot already anyway.
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Why renege? Just drag your feet. US credibility is pretty much shot already anyway.
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