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True, but I misread the name and then decided not to let facts slow me down too much.
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glad we agree. do we also agree that Jennifer Lawrence is an above average actress?
Definitely...I really like her as an actress. And she doesn't "seem" like a crazy, insane hollywood person in real life either...so kudos to her publicist if she is and we just aren't seeing it and kudos to her if she really is fairly normalish for a hollywood star.

But she's one of the best young actresses today (among the ones getting movie roles at least).
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Definitely...I really like her as an actress. And she doesn't "seem" like a crazy, insane hollywood person in real life either...so kudos to her publicist if she is and we just aren't seeing it and kudos to her if she really is fairly normalish for a hollywood star.

But she's one of the best young actresses today (among the ones getting movie roles at least).
so we've got an actor that's "meh" and an actress that's really quite good at what she does.

and he gets 9 money while she gets 7 money. this is simply not fair. I mean, if they were the same, acting-wise, then they should both get 8 money (I dunno, maybe the one 7.8 and the other 8.2 depending on their agent's negotiation prowess). But now, the worse actor gets more money and the only other differentiator is their gender.

clearly, balls are worth 1 money each.
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so we've got an actor that's "meh" and an actress that's really quite good at what she does.

and he gets 9 money while she gets 7 money. this is simply not fair. I mean, if they were the same, acting-wise, then they should both get 8 money (I dunno, maybe the one 7.8 and the other 8.2 depending on their agent's negotiation prowess). But now, the worse actor gets more money and the only other differentiator is their gender.

clearly, balls are worth 1 money each.
Yks, you are basically saying that the only reason people go to the theaters or buy the dvds is the quality of the acting. This is rarely the case. I don't really doubt that sex affects how much they get paid, but this line of argument ignores a lot of factors in how much they should get paid.
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Yks, you are basically saying that the only reason people go to the theaters or buy the dvds is the quality of the acting. This is rarely the case. I don't really doubt that sex affects how much they get paid, but this line of argument ignores a lot of factors in how much they should get paid.
People don't go to see the new "Jennifer Lawrence" movie. None of them are star vehicles that live off her name.

Lets cross that with, say, Spy. Should we argue that Jason Statham should get the same wage as Melissa McCarthy? He is excellent in the movie and steals every scene he is in. But that is HER movie.

Now, American hustle is a different type of film altogether. Jennifer Lawrence might be better than her male Co-stars but that was THEIR movie. It was a starring role for the two lads. They had Top Billing in every piece of advertising I saw. which was a bad decision and not worth it.

I don't agree with the difference in salaries but I can see the reasoning behind it.
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Yks, you are basically saying that the only reason people go to the theaters or buy the dvds is the quality of the acting. This is rarely the case. I don't really doubt that sex affects how much they get paid, but this line of argument ignores a lot of factors in how much they should get paid.
I think Gary Oldman and Daniel Day Lewis are phenomenal actors but neither one of them is getting $25 million a picture either....it usually has more to do with types of roles and whatnot.

For something like American Hustle, Lawrence should have gotten the same as her male costars most likely. Basically an ensemble cast and they're all roughly equal when it comes to acting credits.
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The salaries being hidden is a big part of the problem. The fact that Bradley Cooper will now share his salary openly, that will even the playing field. Then negotiations can be more informed, and if a star (male or female) asks for similar pay, then it is simply up to the producers to decide if their star power and acting skill is worth it.

It is the secrecy that covers it all with a slime of dishonour. And this relates to all sectors of the workforce in which salaries are negotiated. It allows for inherent biases and prejudices to flourish unchecked.
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The salaries being hidden is a big part of the problem. The fact that Bradley Cooper will now share his salary openly, that will even the playing field. Then negotiations can be more informed, and if a star (male or female) asks for similar pay, then it is simply up to the producers to decide if their star power and acting skill is worth it.

It is the secrecy that covers it all with a slime of dishonour. And this relates to all sectors of the workforce in which salaries are negotiated. It allows for inherent biases and prejudices to flourish unchecked.
This! this is exactly what I've been trying to say an d you put it so beautifully!
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