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Old 01-16-2016, 03:05 AM
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The fact we did nothing but "thank" our enemies for releasing our sailors doesn't help very much either. Iran is showing off news coverage of our Navy sailors apologizing, just diminishing our power in the world even more,
So you're confirming American power is much like a schoolyard bullies? Or a mafioso from a crappy '70s gangster movie?
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though this administration is all too happy for that to happen.
Clearly. Republicans need to call hearings on this. Did Obama maybe misdirect the ship when they asked him for directions, so that he could put into action his devious plan to apologize to Iran and feel happy about it?

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God-forbid America lead from the front and consider itself a major power.
It does. Which is why it could make any sort of noise about this at all. Most other countries wouldn't have people assuming that their soldiers will get a free pass when they violate sovereign territory!

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Interesting conspiracy theory, which I just now cooked up myself: maybe some of those US sailors sabotaged their own ship in order to scupper the deal with Iran. Wouldn't it be a good idea for the US Navy to investigate them for treason?
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http://http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/16/middleeast/iran-jason-rezaian-prisoners-freed/index.html?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_ content=link

Damnit Obama!!!

Oh wait, this is yet another indicator that diplomacy tends to work better than bombs.
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Damnit Obama!!!

Oh wait, this is yet another indicator that diplomacy tends to work better than bombs.
Great news, but anyone want to guess how long it will take for the Republicans to start bitching about the fact that Obama exchanged 7 US-held Iranians for Rezaian and the other 3, and that we agreed also to remove 14 other Iranians from Interpol watchlists? Clearly Cruz would have had the Ayatollah wetting himself in terror and begging our clemency as he released Rezaian and the others with no strings, and Trump would have scared the sh*t out of them to such an extent that Iran would have thrown in an unconditional surrender and mass conversion to Christianity along with the release.
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Ted Cruz: "Praise God! Surely bad parts of Obama's latest deal, but prayers of thanksgiving that Pastor Saeed is coming home."

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Ted Cruz: "Praise God! Surely bad parts of Obama's latest deal, but prayers of thanksgiving that Pastor Saeed is coming home."

None of the others have chimed in yet.
It will be interesting to see Rubio's reaction...

(From April of last year)

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Washington (CNN)Republican Sens. Marco Rubio and Mark Kirk called on Monday for the Obama administration to tie any agreement on Iran's nuclear program to the release of a Washington Post reporter and other Americans imprisoned there.

Rubio, the Florida senator who announced this month his candidacy for president, and Illinois' Kirk said the Obama administration should "demand" their release "prior to concluding a nuclear deal with this brutal regime."
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Rubio and Kirk led 19 other GOP senators in penning a letter in March to Secretary of State John Kerry, urging Kerry to bring up the cases of Rezaian and several other Americans jailed in Iran in discussions with Iranian negotiators.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/21/politi...nuclear-talks/

On a brighter note, at least Kirk will be gone after 2016.
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Looks like the sanctions will soon be lifted.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35335078

No doubt we will still see pointless apoplexy and demagoguery from the Republicans, and Congress likely will still vote (and then be vetoed) to restore them on the justification that Jesus might not decide to come back and kill us all unless the sanctions are in place, or some other such nonsense.
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Looks like the sanctions will soon be lifted.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35335078

No doubt we will still see pointless apoplexy and demagoguery from the Republicans, and Congress likely will still vote (and then be vetoed) to restore them on the justification that Jesus might not decide to come back and kill us all unless the sanctions are in place, or some other such nonsense.
Good...maybe we can completely open up Cuba too. It'd be nice to move beyond a Cold War mentality and realize its the 21st century. Talking is better than bombing.
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Great news, but anyone want to guess how long it will take for the Republicans to start bitching about the fact that Obama exchanged 7 US-held Iranians for Rezaian and the other 3, and that we agreed also to remove 14 other Iranians from Interpol watchlists? Clearly Cruz would have had the Ayatollah wetting himself in terror and begging our clemency as he released Rezaian and the others with no strings, and Trump would have scared the sh*t out of them to such an extent that Iran would have thrown in an unconditional surrender and mass conversion to Christianity along with the release.
Not long...

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2...rubio-ted-cruz

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In New Hampshire, frontrunner Donald Trump questioned what the US gained from the deal, in which four American-Iranian dual-nationals were released and seven Iranians held on sanctions violations were released or pardoned.

“They’re getting seven people, so essentially they get $150bn plus seven, and we get four,” the billionaire said.
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Senator Marco Rubio, answering questions after a town hall event in Iowa on Saturday, said so-called prisoner “swaps” had “created an incentive” for governments around the world to take hostages.

“Governments are taking Americans hostage because they believe they can gain concessions from this government under Barack Obama,” Rubio said.
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“We shouldn’t have to swap prisoners,” he said. “These folks were taken illegally in violation of international law and they should have been released without condition. But you know, the Iranians have treated this president with disrespect for years and he continues to take it.”

“Remember the last time we had Iranian hostages,” Christie added in a statement, referring to the 1979 hostage crisis. “As soon as Ronald Reagan took the oath of office those Iranians returned our citizens immediately because they knew if they didn’t they would have to face the strength of character and the wrath of Ronald Reagan.”
Oh, and as for lifting the sanctions...

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/16/politi...cans-reaction/

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Washington (CNN)Congressional Republicans were quick to slam the Obama administration Saturday for lifting sanctions on Iran, with House Speaker Paul Ryan pledging to do "everything possible" to prevent the longtime U.S. foe from obtaining nuclear weapons.

House Republicans, who vehemently oppose the deal, quickly pounced on the administration.

"As the president himself has acknowledged, Iran is likely to use this cash infusion -- more than $100 billion in total -- to finance terrorists," Ryan said in a statement. "This comes just weeks after Tehran's most recent illegal ballistic missile test, and just days after the (Iran Revolutionary Guard Corps) detained 10 American sailors. A bipartisan majority in the House voted to reject this deal in the first place, and we will continue to do everything possible to prevent a nuclear Iran."
Let's be blunt. Hezbollah and the Houthi aren't are friends, but neither are either even remotely like ISIS or Al Qaeda. If we want to take issue with financiers of terrorism, Iran is a choir boy compared to our "friends" (the Saudis, Qatar, and Turkey) in the neighborhood.
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Let's be blunt. Hezbollah and the Houthi aren't are friends, but neither are either even remotely like ISIS or Al Qaeda. If we want to take issue with financiers of terrorism, Iran is a choir boy compared to our "friends" (the Saudis, Qatar, and Turkey) in the neighborhood.
I am not sure that being that blunt is what the Republican candidates want to do. They prefer to be subtle, restrained and statesmanlike, whenever possible at all.
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Loving the Christie reference to Reagan. Especially since evidence has been found which reopens the extremely possible "October Surprise" conspiracy theory case.

The fact that Reagan, who went beyond financing terrorists to the point of actually arming them directly, is invoked as the muscle-bound enforcer of the American reputation is ridiculous.
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Loving the Christie reference to Reagan. Especially since evidence has been found which reopens the extremely possible "October Surprise" conspiracy theory case.
Maddow did a segment on that the other night. I haven't been watching her for months but I was in the mood for one of her longsegments and this came up. She didn't even mention the conspiracy theory, but she did point out that, despite the timing, the Carter administration negotiated that deal and it was Carter who went to greet the released hostages, and Carter they thanked.
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Loving the Christie reference to Reagan. Especially since evidence has been found which reopens the extremely possible "October Surprise" conspiracy theory case.

The fact that Reagan, who went beyond financing terrorists to the point of actually arming them directly, is invoked as the muscle-bound enforcer of the American reputation is ridiculous.
To be fair, the Ayatollah would have likely done that as a giant FU to Carter regardless. The fact that there is a ton of circumstantial evidence that Mr. Reagan also had back channels to him is utterly damning of course. At least he never did anything super crazy like trade weapons to Iran to fund right wing death squads in South America or something. What's that now?
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Maddow did a segment on that the other night. I haven't been watching her for months but I was in the mood for one of her longsegments and this came up. She didn't even mention the conspiracy theory, but she did point out that, despite the timing, the Carter administration negotiated that deal and it was Carter who went to greet the released hostages, and Carter they thanked.
And had it happened a couple months earlier, Carter might have been President through 1984.
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