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Doing what he's doing can bring out the right, ...
So Obama is basing his policy on Monty Python And The Holy Grail?
"Bring out your right, bring out your right!"

Of course, in the USA, supreme executive authority derives from some farcical aquatic ceremony*, not from a mandate from the masses. So it is indeed unclear whether Obama would have any right to make such proposals.

* The gerrymandered electoral college, to be precise.
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Its a fairly rural state with a ton of hunters...same as OH and PA. Lots of OH & PA are very conservative older white Democrats mixed in with the urban area democrats (overwhelmingly minorities in Pittsburgh and Philly). PA is basically two cities with Alabama in between for forward thinking. I grew up there, I still have a TON of friends and family there and they will vote Dem as long as you don't piss them off with things like taking their guns. OH is nearly the same but even more Red than PA due a more rural population. FL is obviously always a major swing state.

Here's another bit on the whole "protest/sit-in" crap: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...cid=538twitter

Great article on how hypocritical they're being about the cost of using federal land. If it was privatized like they "want", they couldn't afford it and they'd all be bought out by mega corporate farms anyway. They're idiots.
You'd be surprised. Denver and the surrounding areas are growing quite rapidly. To the point where it can be hard to tell where one town ends and another begins. It's one of the fastest growing areas in the country.
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You'd be surprised. Denver and the surrounding areas are growing quite rapidly. To the point where it can be hard to tell where one town ends and another begins. It's one of the fastest growing areas in the country.
Didn't the anti-gun control sentiment factor into their Dem Senator Mark Udall losing in 2014? Granted, it was also your typical off-year election no-show by the Left but still.
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2008 Turnout:

(D) Mark Udall: 1,230,994
(R) Bob Schaffer: 990,775

2012 Turnout:

(D) Mark Udall: 944,203
(R) Cory Gardner: 983,981

As you can see, its not even that the GOP got more voters...they just showed up while nearly 300K Democrats decided to stay home. Dems only have themselves to blame with this crap too.
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Didn't the anti-gun control sentiment factor into their Dem Senator Mark Udall losing in 2014? Granted, it was also your typical off-year election no-show by the Left but still.
A lot of mixed feelings in Colorado. For example, when pot was first being discussed to be legalized, some of the Northern counties were talking about seceding from the state, and even attaching themselves to Wyoming. At this point though, there's a lot of strong sentiment coming out from that state, some going one way, a lot going another.
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So even with their leader imprisoned and spokesman dead, these lunatics won't go home. Instead, they're announcing Armageddon. Literally. And calling for the killing of law enforcement.

How are they different from ISIS again?
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Out of curiosity, fellow TLers in the legal field, what would these persons be charged with?
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How are they different from ISIS again?
ISIS actually sort of manages to have something resembling a state. I seriously doubt these folks would be anywhere near that competent.

Of course, whether you want your insane homicidal clowns to be competent or incompetent is a matter of aesthetics, which means that it depends on individual preferences.
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Here's what they will be charged with. I'd be interested in hearing about what they could have been charged with:
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Just as the arrest was cautious, so is the charge. In the federal criminal complaint which the FBI didn't obtain until after the arrests the U.S. Attorney for the District of Oregon charges the eight defendants with a single count of conspiracy to impede an officer of the United States. That federal criminal statute doesn't see much use, and it's not one of the Justice Department's big guns: Its maximum penalty is only six years. To prosecutors, the virtue of such conspiracy charges are their flexibility: The government need only prove that two or more of the defendants agreed to prevent some federal employee from discharging his or her duty by force, intimidation or threat. Prosecutors don't have to prove they were successful.

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The government's theory thoughtfully supported by the defendants' public relations strategy is that occupiers agreed to an armed takeover of federal buildings, thus preventing U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service employees from carrying out their duties. There are a few references to unspecified threats against federal employees and some rumblings about how the occupiers would defend themselves against a raid, but the core of the complaint is modest and straightforward: These people got together with guns and took over federal buildings and now the employees can't do their jobs.

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and something fun from the article:

Twenty years ago I prosecuted a tax protester who claimed as one does that the gold fringe on the courtroom flag made it an admiralty court. "I'll pretend you're a boat," the judge said dryly, and proceeded with the mundane business of the case. Professionalism and protection of rights, not trading drama for drama, is the way to handle a self-styled revolutionary. It won't entertain the media, but it will refute the assertion that the system can't get it right.
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That is the most limp-wristed bullshit i've heard in a long time.
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I love sovereign citizen conspiracy theories...particularly the gold-fringe=admiralty court one.

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I also love that they almost always turn out to be a bunch of welfare wanting, idiot hicks that are just massively mooching off the same federal gov't they claim to despise. "Screw the federal govt...gov't is evil and wrong. Where the hell's my gov't subsidies and assistance?!? The check was a day late this month...wahhhh!!!!"
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That is the most limp-wristed bullshit i've heard in a long time.
Sounds to me like they're playing it very safe, which (along with releasing the video right away) is consistent with their handling of this whole situation. They don't want a Waco or Ruby Ridge, and they don't want to even entertain that idea from the militants.

They won't make rabid liberals happy, but they also won't attract a bunch of wackos from the woods to support the four remaining occupiers.

Unfortunately, the video didn't help matters, it just sharpened the divide.
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I love sovereign citizen conspiracy theories...particularly the gold-fringe=admiralty court one.



I also love that they almost always turn out to be a bunch of welfare wanting, idiot hicks that are just massively mooching off the same federal gov't they claim to despise. "Screw the federal govt...gov't is evil and wrong. Where the hell's my gov't subsidies and assistance?!? The check was a day late this month...wahhhh!!!!"
You know that possum-owner I was talking about? She subscribes to the gold-fringed thing, believes in some weird thing where each person has a secret bank account in their name with hundreds of thousands of dollars in it that she feels entitled to (that she bafflingly claims that was created when our government sold us into slavery to Britain to pay off war debts, and she didn't believe me when I told her it was Britain that owed us, and that we didn't get off the gold standard when she said), lives off Social Security because she can't work because of some disease that can only be treated by possum ownership, and also has 'a church'. You feel bad for her when she says she 'just wants the government to leave her alone so she can stay home and home-school her kids', but she won't work and is dangerously deluded. No surprise her husband (who works for the lab in Livermore and is a great guy) got full custody.

Oh and apparently there is some 'postal court' run by some Swiss guy who has jurisdiction everywhere. I'd asked her why he hadn't arrested Kim Jong Un, but she didn't know.
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Sounds to me like they're playing it very safe, which (along with releasing the video right away) is consistent with their handling of this whole situation. They don't want a Waco or Ruby Ridge, and they don't want to even entertain that idea from the militants.

They won't make rabid liberals happy, but they also won't attract a bunch of wackos from the woods to support the four remaining occupiers.

Unfortunately, the video didn't help matters, it just sharpened the divide.
You kinda have to laugh a little bit when you hear them talking about 'hands up, don't shoot' though.
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Oh, I didnt think you were. Its just sad the delusions people come up with...its also sad that that person has the same voting power as you or I.
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Stalin solved that problem quite neatly, didn't he?
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He was nothing if not efficient.
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this comes close enough. I was actually looking for another cartoon I saw this weekend, the caption went something like "Don't believe anything the mainstream media says, instead believe every poorly researched and logically unsound conspiracy theory I can find"

I mean... of course a person should think for themselves and never automatically believe everything they read. But this ought to apply for ALL sources of information, the "mainstream media" as well as your crackpot cousin who smells like he hasn't been *not high* for the last year.
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