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I couldn't even post in the WoT section without some fool twisting my post into my political views, even when they weren't connected. Funny how that works.
Funny, I never do that to you. Your comments on the WoT board are always (at least that I've read) completely devoid of any political stuff and are thus completely rational.
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Tolerance for your opinion is one thing...even if it is utter crap. Tolerance for discriminating against people you don't personally like? No, not so much. Things were simpler back when minorities and LGBT folks knew their place. When they didnt try to live openly or live in the "wrong" neighborhood or get married to each other or (in the minority case) to someone of another race. Or wanting to sit anywhere on a bus or in a restaurant, etc or use the same restroom.

Or all the other ridiculously awful things that our country has tolerated over the years.
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One last part...on the whole "she gets to go to school for free cause she's black while my white sister has to pay!!!" part:

http://www.finaid.org/scholarships/2...holarships.pdf

A good study on financial aid and how it breaks down between the races. Shocker of shocker, white people get more than minorities regardless of how you break it down. Another myth that is utter BS.

If I had to guess why your sister has to pay full price, I'd imagine its because your parents make enough to afford it, she has no outstanding skills or unique talents (sport, etc) that would make a college want to give her a scholarship or need-based scholarship.

The black woman is likely poor and thus got financial aid that way...which has nothing to do with race and everything to do with her income level. If she's wasting that opportunity, that's her problem, not yours and and not your sisters.

I know this will come as a surprise but you're gonna deal with people your entire life that you probably dont like very much. You can either learn how to be tolerant or you can be super pissed off all the time. The world doesnt give a shit about your opinion or my opinion and there are a ton of stupid, annoying people out there regardless of your political view point.
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This one time, I was in line behind a black family at the grocery store...should have seen their cart. Nothing but Lobster and Steak and you guessed it, it all went on their EBT card. They were talking super loud on their Obama phone s the entire time too before they loaded their lobsters into their Cadillac and blasted their rap music while blowing 3 stop signs on their way out of the parking lot.

And don't even get me started on all the black single mothers I know with 10 kids that are just milking the welfare system while they sit at home watching their 75" flatscreen TVs with their $60K SUVs sitting outside


While we're on stupid anecdotes, I knew a middle class white guy that got to go to Cornell for free because Daddy was an alcoholic who committed suicide when he was a kid...got him a full hardship scholarship. He dropped out after 1 semester too. He works in a liquor store now BTW. So clearly all white males suck too.

"So clearly all white males suck too." If you're implying that I believe "all blacks suck," that is once again taking what I'm saying and twisting it. I never said all people of any type of race are to blame. I was making a point that there are serious problems in the system where, due to past issues, people such as the three students accused in the situations I brought up, get in trouble simply because there's that heightened scrutiny. It's ridiculous. There's all this talk about how everyone needs to be treated the same, yet liberals want special groups to be treated with "extra care" and with special privileges, simply due to past issues that no longer apply as they once did (discrimination still exists, but not like it did). If we stopped looking at specific groups as being victims all the time and actually thought of everyone as the same, as conservatives try to get across, the world would be a much better place. Look at everyone the same, and punish those, white, black, or otherwise, who are the problem. Stop giving special privileges to this group or that simply because they aren't white. I know this won't sink in much with a totalitarian mindset that liberals display on a day-to-day basis (believe as we believe or we will destroy you; Ex: gay/transgender rights), but perhaps you "tolerant" liberals can see another side through the lens of understanding rather than hate of the white, conservative Christian.
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One last part...on the whole "she gets to go to school for free cause she's black while my white sister has to pay!!!" part:

http://www.finaid.org/scholarships/2...holarships.pdf

A good study on financial aid and how it breaks down between the races. Shocker of shocker, white people get more than minorities regardless of how you break it down. Another myth that is utter BS.

If I had to guess why your sister has to pay full price, I'd imagine its because your parents make enough to afford it, she has no outstanding skills or unique talents (sport, etc) that would make a college want to give her a scholarship or need-based scholarship.

The black woman is likely poor and thus got financial aid that way...which has nothing to do with race and everything to do with her income level. If she's wasting that opportunity, that's her problem, not yours and and not your sisters.

I know this will come as a surprise but you're gonna deal with people your entire life that you probably dont like very much. You can either learn how to be tolerant or you can be super pissed off all the time. The world doesnt give a shit about your opinion or my opinion and there are a ton of stupid, annoying people out there regardless of your political view point.
"The black woman is likely poor and thus got financial aid that way..." I doubt that, and I think you should take a look at all the scholarships offered and what they are aimed at specifically. My indian friend who got accused of discrimination, went to a minority night and as he was speaking to an attorney in the Chicago area, hoping to make a valuable contact for after he graduated, she realized he was indian. Why is that a problem? She was looking for black and or hispanic students. My friend graduated second in his class, and he is automatically disqualified as a minority because he doesn't fit a specific group? What kind of bs is that?

I'm sure that study is legitimate, but the point I'm trying to make is that you've got my sister, who works her way through school, and now graduate school, and then you've got these losers who can somehow afford to stand around weeks on end and harass people, yet they are demanded sympathy while the true victims are looked at as being the problem for their "white privilege." And yes, many do go for free or get preference due to bs affirmative action, and I find it highly unlikely that those standing on the lawn protesting are wasting their own precious money. To each their own, but it's quite disturbing that this is the road America is taking.

And I am tolerant of many folks, believe it or not. I've met many people on this board who I get along with quite well, and I'm sure I will at Jordancon once again. I go to a school where I am outnumbered politically, and get along with every single one of them as well as my conservative friends.
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Tolerance for your opinion is one thing...even if it is utter crap. Tolerance for discriminating against people you don't personally like? No, not so much. Things were simpler back when minorities and LGBT folks knew their place. When they didnt try to live openly or live in the "wrong" neighborhood or get married to each other or (in the minority case) to someone of another race. Or wanting to sit anywhere on a bus or in a restaurant, etc or use the same restroom.

Or all the other ridiculously awful things that our country has tolerated over the years.

Nope, those are just examples of intolerance, as you very well lay out with strong sarcasm. What about tolerance for religious beliefs? Florists and bakers are getting absolutely destroyed because they don't want to violate their beliefs by serving gay couples. Should a black couple who owns a flower shop be forced to deliver flowers to a KKK rally? I mean, for a party that "loves" their "diversity," isn't it wrong to bend the will of the people who disagree?
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Sorry, I actually have a life and do read what is said. I choose what to respond to when I have time, which isn't often. It's one vs. 15-20 people on this site, and if I took time to respond to every attack, I wouldn't get anything done.
So seeing as your hours for relaxing are so precious, why do you spend them here? We are after all a group that's completely brainwashed on the idea that we must actually use our own minds rather than parrot what we like. If your arguments on politics could hold a spoonfull of water most of us would quite thoroughly argue the points with you. But as things are all you are doing is stating opinions instead of discussing them. If someone here were to mindlessly advocate communist ideals, they'd get it in the teeth as well. Or green ideals. Or the democrats'. No matter what ideals you mindlessly advocate we will not like you if that is all there is to you. And so far all we have seen of you is Republican propaganda with no show of independent thought. You feel attacked? Quite right you have been attacked, but it is because of your behaviour not your opinions. Those opinions are merely the handy subject of your bad behaviour and full of holes as they are also a handy means for attacking you, but the motive for the attack is your behaviour.
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So seeing as your hours for relaxing are so precious, why do you spend them here?
I know, right? He must be kinky as fuck. Public humiliation, masochism, never needing to use a safe phrase (anything not fucking retarded)...

And I was going to say:

People on the Right accuse Obama of promoting racial divisions in the country. As 'evidence' they point to polls that show people think race relations are at their worst point in years. But what's really going on is the angry white morons are confusing 'peace' with 'quiet'. They're not used to hearing stories about police brutality or institutionalized racism, and now that they are; they think race relations are somehow worse now, as opposed to the reality that they are more honest.

I mean, let's talk about Ferguson. Maybe the inciting incident was not a valid complaint (maybe. I, for one, still have questions). But the whole situation was like a reverse 'boy who cried wolf'. Where the (documented) racist police (documented) abuse their power for decades and no one listens to the citizen's complaints. And then what difference does it make if the inbred killer 'cop' is the straw that broke the camel's back or just a nocebo? Simplistic morons like Southpaw parrot the wrong answer. Morally, ethically, legally, narratively, even aesthetically.
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"So clearly all white males suck too." If you're implying that I believe "all blacks suck," that is once again taking what I'm saying and twisting it. I never said all people of any type of race are to blame. I was making a point that there are serious problems in the system where, due to past issues, people such as the three students accused in the situations I brought up, get in trouble simply because there's that heightened scrutiny. It's ridiculous. There's all this talk about how everyone needs to be treated the same, yet liberals want special groups to be treated with "extra care" and with special privileges, simply due to past issues that no longer apply as they once did (discrimination still exists, but not like it did). If we stopped looking at specific groups as being victims all the time and actually thought of everyone as the same, as conservatives try to get across, the world would be a much better place. Look at everyone the same, and punish those, white, black, or otherwise, who are the problem. Stop giving special privileges to this group or that simply because they aren't white. I know this won't sink in much with a totalitarian mindset that liberals display on a day-to-day basis (believe as we believe or we will destroy you; Ex: gay/transgender rights), but perhaps you "tolerant" liberals can see another side through the lens of understanding rather than hate of the white, conservative Christian.
Funny story, when I was in college, I wrote a paper on why I thought affirmative action was a mistake...I even quoted Justice Thomas in it among others. While I don't agree with him on much of anything else, I think there are and were better ways to accomplish the same goal of equal opportunity.

However, it is silly to say that discrimination is not still a serious issue. The massive rollback of voting rights in the South the moment SCOTUS overturned the Voting Rights Act is a glaring example of this...as were the massive lines in Latino areas during the AZ primary for that same reason. Or the discriminatory acts against LGBT individuals in GA, NC, and KS among others.

Nobody really cares if you are a white conservative Christian. They only care when you feel the need to impose your discriminatory beliefs on people that aren't white conservative Christians. There are still very serious race issues in our country. To pretend otherwise is ridiculous. The entire success of Trump's campaign is based on this underlying sense of racism by poor, working class whites. There's a reason that racists support him far more than any other candidate on either side and why the more racist an individual is, the more likely he/she is to be a Trump supporter.

The point of my anecdote was not to say that you hate all black people, it was to show the meaningless of using anecdotes like your loud black girl on campus crying racism at every turn or whining about how they don't have to pay while your sister or you does. And how you think the fact that your parents are paying for college makes you a better person with more rights than someone there on scholarship or financial aid.
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I take it you didnt bother reading the study I provided or even bothered doing a simple google search of "race and scholarships" to show that you're incorrect in your suppositions there?

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I think you assume way too much. For example, I didn't have to work while in college. I did but I had a full ride due to my military service. There are plenty of reasons for people to be able to go to school and not work like your sister. Parents pay or they get scholarships or they're just dumb enough to run up massive student loans and live off those instead. Or they do work and they use their spare time to protest instead of going to a party and getting drunk.

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Or perhaps they are and they enjoy exercising their constitutional rights to protest and freely assemble to redress perceived grievances. I don't agree with lots of protests I see but I still respect their right to do so.

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And lots of white people get all sorts of things just because they're white...a white person is less likely to be arrested for the same crime as a black person, they typically get a less severe sentence when they are tried. They can easily hail a cab, they tend to get better service in restaurants as black people are thought of as "poor tippers". They are less likely to be harassed when living or shopping in a wealthy area. They tend to be promoted faster and paid more than blacks and other minorities.

Just like taller men get paid more than shorter men and attractive people tend to do better in life than less physically attractive people, minorities very often times get judged merely by their appearance. You can hide a lot of things but you can't really hide your race. And sadly, its not just white people that make those snap judgements. Other minorities tend to do the same thing...because racism is very deeply seated in our culture.

Is any of that right? Of course not. But it does happen and it happens every single day. Hang out with some minorities on a regular basis, you'll see it. A black or latino person in a predominantly White area gets looks that no other white person would ever get.
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Nope, those are just examples of intolerance, as you very well lay out with strong sarcasm. What about tolerance for religious beliefs? Florists and bakers are getting absolutely destroyed because they don't want to violate their beliefs by serving gay couples. Should a black couple who owns a flower shop be forced to deliver flowers to a KKK rally? I mean, for a party that "loves" their "diversity," isn't it wrong to bend the will of the people who disagree?
The same segment of the population that was against Loving v. Virginia was fighting against gay marriage.

Is the KKK a legal organization? Last I checked they were classified as a domestic terrorist group. If they were peacefully protesting something or having a peaceful meeting, I would see no issue with a black person who owned a cake business being asked to bake them a cake...within reason. What if the KKK asked for a cake that said "Fuck The N#*#$!!" That would clearly be considered hate speech and would exempt them. But if a white supremacist asked them for a birthday cake or a wedding cake? Sure.

Perhaps a florist or a cake shop owner who runs a public business shouldn't try to discriminate against a protected portion of the population. Its no different than refusing to serve a black person in a restaurant or telling a black person to buy their cake elsewhere. Nobody is forcing the florist or cake owner to morally approve and support the gay wedding. They're forcing them to not discriminate against customers based on something like race, sex, religion, age, or sexual preference.

For every "How dare the gays make us do this" scenario you come up with, try replacing the word "gay, lesbian, or transgender" with "black person". If it suddenly sounds super racist, its not okay to do.

Its not about tolerating your religious belief, its about you not forcing your religious belief on someone who doesn't share them. Nobody is preventing you from going to church, worshipping as you please, and telling everyone you know how you feel about this subject. They are, however, preventing you from imposing that belief on others.

A florist or bakery owner runs a business open to the public. Thus, they cannot discriminate.
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"So clearly all white males suck too." If you're implying that I believe "all blacks suck," that is once again taking what I'm saying and twisting it. I never said all people of any type of race are to blame. I was making a point that there are serious problems in the system where, due to past issues, people such as the three students accused in the situations I brought up, get in trouble simply because there's that heightened scrutiny. It's ridiculous. There's all this talk about how everyone needs to be treated the same, yet liberals want special groups to be treated with "extra care" and with special privileges, simply due to past issues that no longer apply as they once did (discrimination still exists, but not like it did). If we stopped looking at specific groups as being victims all the time and actually thought of everyone as the same, as conservatives try to get across, the world would be a much better place. Look at everyone the same, and punish those, white, black, or otherwise, who are the problem. Stop giving special privileges to this group or that simply because they aren't white. I know this won't sink in much with a totalitarian mindset that liberals display on a day-to-day basis (believe as we believe or we will destroy you; Ex: gay/transgender rights), but perhaps you "tolerant" liberals can see another side through the lens of understanding rather than hate of the white, conservative Christian.
Right... but the issue with this is that it has been proven that blacks, women, and other historically disadvantaged groups are STILL at a disadvantage, socially, economically, and politically. What you're advocating is just a modern version of "separate but equal".

No one thinks that BLM protestors yelling (in an anecdotal case, of course) at your sister in an offensive manner is okay. Unfortunately, not every example of offensive behavior gets reported on. People are rude to others every day of the week, and it crosses every conceivable social, political, or economic boundary. Unfortunately, that is humanity. The difference is that there is undeniable evidence that the black community in this country is being systemically discriminated against, not just personally discriminated against. While I sympathize with your sister, it's also hard to compare that to the fact that the actual law enforcement apparatus of many/most American municipalities is actively discriminating against black folks.

So yes, conservatives in this country want to just treat everyone as if they're equal. Unfortunately, that is just the latest rearguard action against sanctioned systemic discrimination that began with the the Three Fifths Compromise. It ignores the fact that Jim Crow is a living memory for many people in this country. Saying "everyone must be treated equally" ignores the fact that (a) not everyone IS treated equally, as we're increasingly seeing, and (b) that the imbalance of power in American society is still heavily tilted in favor of white, Christian, men. Your complaint that some groups get favorable treatment/coverage is merely a complaint that we're not freezing the status quo in place with the current balance of socio-economic power intact.
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Nope, those are just examples of intolerance, as you very well lay out with strong sarcasm. What about tolerance for religious beliefs? Florists and bakers are getting absolutely destroyed because they don't want to violate their beliefs by serving gay couples. Should a black couple who owns a flower shop be forced to deliver flowers to a KKK rally? I mean, for a party that "loves" their "diversity," isn't it wrong to bend the will of the people who disagree?
Well, there are a couple different things to unpack here. First off, this is not an acceptable analogy. Gays are not out to harm heterosexuals, or make them change anything about themselves. The KKK is explicitly a hate group, and one that uses violence/intimidation to boot. One group is asking for equal consideration under the law, the other is asking to remove that right from a certain subset of American citizens.

Second, how does baking a cake for a homosexual couple violate religious principle? No one is asking them to start having gay sex while delivering the cake. If they want to register as a 501(c)(3) and claim an exemption on religious grounds, so be it. Otherwise, they aren't a religious institution and shouldn't be treated as such.
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i like how you call out for progress to solve the moral dilemma facing our country and at the same time call people ravaging buffoons and liberals (which in your lexicon is a derogatory).
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Sorry, I actually have a life and do read what is said. I choose what to respond to when I have time, which isn't often. It's one vs. 15-20 people on this site, and if I took time to respond to every attack, I wouldn't get anything done.
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