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Old 08-13-2016, 05:58 PM
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1. Chester A Arthur.
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Every other dude.

This is based solely on the fact he's the only president referenced as a plot point in a Die Hard movie.

so what if he is outside of your parameters Dav, he's still the greatest.
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Its all good...he was a Vermonter so he gets honorary status anyway.

He was born in Fairfield, VT (about 20 min from where I used to live in St. Albans (we had a really awesome loft apartment there...just an awesome apartment really) and he lived in a house in Hinesburg (where I live now for the next 2 weeks till we move to Denver). He was only there for a little bit but there's still a historic marker there nonetheless and the house is protected by being on the historic registry.
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1. Chester A Arthur.
Why wasn't he named Chester B Arthur?
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Why wasn't he named Chester B Arthur?
I think Chester I Arthur would have been better.
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Seems like we all liked Ike. I had him third. The highways alone earn him that ranking, but he also, even if it preceded his presidency, deserves quite a bit of recognition for how he handled the allied command in wwii.

Having had this exact argument at a dinner a couple days ago, I was interested in revisiting this.

First off, should Eisenhower get credit for things that occurred before his Presidency? Some of the all-time worst Presidents had excellent records as generals or politicians; all the things LBJ is credited for, for example, were exactly the opposite of his policies as a Senator/Congressman. And Zachary Taylor was a successful general despite being a total nonentity in the Presidency.

But more to the point, Eisenhower was an enormously popular President who was almost totally unwilling to use that popularity to drive through meaningful Civil Rights legislation (Truman issued to the executive order to desegregate the armed forces, not Eisenhower). I don't know if that should knock him way down or not... but his near total refusal to take leadership on the most important political question of the day has to be acknowledged. That he managed to shift the blame to the Senate doesn't mean he should get a free pass (even if he was right)
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First off, should Eisenhower get credit for things that occurred before his Presidency? Some of the all-time worst Presidents had excellent records as generals or politicians; all the things LBJ is credited for, for example, were exactly the opposite of his policies as a Senator/Congressman. And Zachary Taylor was a successful general despite being a total nonentity in the Presidency.
It definitely should apply to his overall legacy, though shouldn't cloud one's assessment of his presidency.

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But more to the point, Eisenhower was an enormously popular President who was almost totally unwilling to use that popularity to drive through meaningful Civil Rights legislation (Truman issued to the executive order to desegregate the armed forces, not Eisenhower). I don't know if that should knock him way down or not... but his near total refusal to take leadership on the most important political question of the day has to be acknowledged. That he managed to shift the blame to the Senate doesn't mean he should get a free pass (even if he was right)
This is unfair. Truman's ordered desegregation the armed forces had almost gone completely ignored and unenforced until Eisenhower took over and pushed for its enforcement. Likewise he made clear efforts to enforce integration in DC, and fought for the enforcement of the Brown decision, both through his standoff with the segregationist governor of Arkansas, and his promotion of the Civil Rights Act of 1957. He didn't do as much as LBJ did, but he did help chip away at the obstruction, and begin the spadework that JFK and LBJ would take up and continue in the next decade.
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