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Anyone else read Children of Earth and Sky by GGK yet? I think it was probably the first GGK book I've read that I've kind of been disappointed in. I know Kay tends to use the same motifs/themes/characters over and over (and over) again, but I feel like I noticed it more in this book. A few spoilers here, but...

I swear he uses the phrase "men and women under the sky" or something similar 12,000 times.

Marin Djivo is literally Diarmuid from Fionavar/Bertran from Arbonne/Ammar from Lions. GGK's just using the same character with a different name each time.

I instantly knew that the Grand Khalif would be a decent, down-to-earth guy despite every indication to the opposite...because this also happens in almost every GGK book.

It was still beautifully written, I just feel like there aren't any surprises anymore. It's classic GGK, but maybe because of that I had a hard time getting excited because I felt like I'd read it already (if that makes sense). I certainly wouldn't call it "bad," but compared to the other GGK books I've read (all of them except his poetry collection) it's not up to par.

FWIW Tigana, Lions, and the Sarantine Mosaic are up on a pillar for me and basically untouchable in regards to how good they are.
I finally read it and I basically agree with you completely. It was a beautifully written GGK book like all of them but it basically had zero memorable or original characters for me.

Women Priestesses on an Island Sanctuary? Check

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Don't get me wrong, I loved it and ended up reading most of it in one sitting (its rather short at just over 500 pages) but it wasn't really memorable and it doesn't approach his best work. I was kinda hoping for more character development and a bit more. I think he maybe thought about doing another two parter like The Sarantine Mosaic but decided against it since it would have been way too sequelly (not a word but still). Feels like he crushed it down to fit into one book and alot got lost in the process.

For me, my favorite GGK books are basically Tigana, Lions and Sarantine too...and it honestly depends which one I've read most recently for which is on top of the others.
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I think he maybe thought about doing another two parter like The Sarantine Mosaic but decided against it since it would have been way too sequelly (not a word but still). Feels like he crushed it down to fit into one book and alot got lost in the process.

For me, my favorite GGK books are basically Tigana, Lions and Sarantine too...and it honestly depends which one I've read most recently for which is on top of the others.
Yeah, I thought it might've worked better as a two-parter as well. The whole Asharius part kind of seems tacked on at the end, even though it's one of the main points of the story. Still, I thought this worked as an interesting sequel of sorts to Sarantine.

I'd also add Under Heaven to the list of best GGK books. Maybe not the top three, but probably fourth for me. I'd say Last Light of the Sun was probably the "weakest" book before Earth and Sky. Personally I hope he goes back to Asia again at some point.
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Yeah, I thought it might've worked better as a two-parter as well. The whole Asharius part kind of seems tacked on at the end, even though it's one of the main points of the story. Still, I thought this worked as an interesting sequel of sorts to Sarantine.

I'd also add Under Heaven to the list of best GGK books. Maybe not the top three, but probably fourth for me. I'd say Last Light of the Sun was probably the "weakest" book before Earth and Sky. Personally I hope he goes back to Asia again at some point.
I liked Last Light a lot more the last time I read it. I think it improves significantly with rereads.

I agree that the Asharius part felt massively rushed at the end. I think he easily could have done another 200-300 pages and had two 400 page books instead of 1 590 page book. This was the most "series of somewhat related short stories" type book he's ever done I think.

I loved Under Heaven too...easily up there with those other 3.
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