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It's also Obama's fault...and the Democrats.

You see, because when you can't get your own Party to agree to something that they've supposedly wanted to do for the last 7 years, it's clearly the minority party's fault somehow.
This is still the safest option for the republicans. They had the obvious problem of necessity and reality. After so many clearly feigned attempts at repeal, they could not avoid at least doing something, but actually passing this version would have been suicidal politically.

Likely the only chance he had for this to work would have been to try to negotiate minor changes just with the dems and a few somewhat reasonable, or at least sane, House and Senate (finding options in the senate would obviously be far easier) republicans. Bringing in lobbyists from pharma and the AMA and threatening financial blockade for resistance might have been sufficient to coerce enough republicans. That would have, of course, have required a far more skillful politician, something which this administration (and congressional republicans in general - how Ryan thought this could ever work is an indictment of him as well) clearly lacks.
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It's also Obama's fault...and the Democrats.

You see, because when you can't get your own Party to agree to something that they've supposedly wanted to do for the last 7 years, it's clearly the minority party's fault somehow.
The beauty of this is that the Dems had to do almost nothing. This was completely a Republican implosion, and I don't think anyone will buy that the Dems caused that...

Such a lot of egg on his face. Goes with the orange. Let us bask in the sunset glow...
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This was completely a Republican implosion, and I don't think anyone will buy that the Dems caused that...
If you were stupid enough to bet on that, then I would gladly take your money. Wouldn't be ethical of me, of course, but seeing as we're dealing with Republicans here, we can probably say that ethics are off topic anyway.
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The beauty of this is that the Dems had to do almost nothing. This was completely a Republican implosion, and I don't think anyone will buy that the Dems caused that...

Such a lot of egg on his face. Goes with the orange. Let us bask in the sunset glow...
The 35% of the voting population that belongs on the hard right and only gets its news from The Blaze, Breitbart and that liberal rag Foxnews will believe anything Trump says.

So they'll believe it no matter what.
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The 35% of the voting population that belongs on the hard right and only gets its news from The Blaze, Breitbart and that liberal rag Foxnews will believe anything Trump says.

So they'll believe it no matter what.
Oh, Brietbart and its ilk aren't claiming it is Trump's fault. But they aren't exclusively blaming the Dems either. Apparently, this is how Trump will get his deal: showing the dissident Republican factions what happens if they don't listen to him. It's all part of the plan, you see.
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Oh, Brietbart and its ilk aren't claiming it is Trump's fault. But they aren't exclusively blaming the Dems either. Apparently, this is how Trump will get his deal: showing the dissident Republican factions what happens if they don't listen to him. It's all part of the plan, you see.
Clearly he's playing three dimensional chess here...


I wonder how the mouth breathers over on The Donald sub-reddit are doing...I'd check but I refuse to enter that hive of scum and villainy to find out.
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I wonder how the mouth breathers over on The Donald sub-reddit are doing...I'd check but I refuse to enter that hive of scum and villainy to find out.
A couple of my co-mods on r/dbz are regulars there, apparently. But they use alts, or something, so I can't stalk them to see what kind of garbage they post lol. They're reasonably intelligent people and I have no idea why they like Trump. They won't talk politics with me.
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