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Other historians will of course disagree and point to the appoint of GWB by SCOTUS as the defining turn.
That was definitely the first major warning peel from the bells...and its probably more accurate as a transition point. Or rather, our idiotic reaction to 9/11 is the real turning point as had we had an adult president there, we likely could have avoided the 16+ years of continual war we've been in since then.
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That was definitely the first major warning peel from the bells...and its probably more accurate as a transition point. Or rather, our idiotic reaction to 9/11 is the real turning point as had we had an adult president there, we likely could have avoided the 16+ years of continual war we've been in since then.
Ken Starr and the Clinton Impeachment. There were other warning signs of decline before that - the Civil Rights Movement backlash, Vietnam, Watergate, Roe v Wade - but when an impeachment process becomes entirely about politics rather than about wrongdoing. Can republicans really believe they had just grounds for wanting to remove Clinton back in the '90s? For being evasive (they couldn't even prove that he had actually lied, just that he was bending semantics) of his secretary blowing him in the Oval Office? Could they really think that what Hillary did with her email was even in the same ballpark as Trump's track record of fraud, money laundering, and collusion with the Russians (let alone adding a provision at the last second into the recent tax cut focused on real estate ventures to personally benefit himself and his family)? We have fallen so far that many republicans seem to view Putin as more trustworthy than the Washington Post and the new York Times.

Problems existed prior to its rise, but Murdoch saw the opportunity to make a lot of money by further poisoning the well, something which he did to great acumen, and to great financial gain. More than anything else I'd point to the Fox News Channel (and the internet) - launched October 7, 1996. This was the assassin that slew the empire.
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Well, my prediction of 191-2 was a bit off, but...

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-42446027

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The UN General Assembly has decisively backed a resolution effectively calling on the US to withdraw its recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

The text says that any decisions regarding the status of the city are "null and void" and must be cancelled.

The non-binding resolution was approved by 128 states, with 35 abstaining and nine others voting against.
Curious to know who the other 7 no votes (besides us and Israel) were, not to mention the 35 who abstained. Those receiving significant foreign aid, or American allies, like Britain? The BBC article unfortunately doesn't indicate how Britain voted, which is a bit odd. Figured that they would have at least made a point of drawing attention to the other 7 stooges who voted in favor of the Apartheid state.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...rusalem-israel

Canada and Mexico both abstained...

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Well, my prediction of 191-2 was a bit off, but...

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Curious to know who the other 7 no votes (besides us and Israel) were, not to mention the 35 who abstained. Those receiving significant foreign aid, or American allies, like Britain? The BBC article unfortunately doesn't indicate how Britain voted, which is a bit odd. Figured that they would have at least made a point of drawing attention to the other 7 stooges who voted in favor of the Apartheid state.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...rusalem-israel

Canada and Mexico both abstained...
Screw the UN, we still have our coalition of the willing with great nation-states like Guatemala, Honduras, the Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Nauru, Palau and Togo on our side.

Onward and upward!!!
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Just for Kimon...above is the vote breakdown
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Screw the UN, we still have our coalition of the willing with great nation-states like Guatemala, Honduras, the Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Nauru, Palau and Togo on our side.

Onward and upward!!!
Britain voted against us. Britain.

Meanwhile, back at home, the president's henchmen are prepping to declare Mueller, the FBI, and Obama all enemy combatants...

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/ra...rticle/2644139

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"Time to investigate high ranking Obama government officials who might have colluded to prevent the election of @realDonaldTrump! This could be WORSE than Watergate!" Paul tweeted Thursday morning.
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The slow motion toppling of our Republic has been fairly depressing to watch...even though it was something I predicted about 2 months after 9/11 seeing how we had reacted. So...as a 20 year old, I was more situationally aware of our geopolitical situation than the entire GOP apparently.
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When is the last time the UK didn't support us? We have had one of the closest alliances in history with them since 1941 and now it looks to be in shambles. The Special Relationship isn't just rhetoric, its been the backbone of our foreign policy thinking for 75 years.

Among the NATO allies in general, all of the major powers condemned us with only tertiary members like Hungary, Croatia, Poland and Romania at least abstaining (I'm not counting Canada in this group because the only reason they're probably not condemning us is the ongoing renegotiation of NAFTA and our alliance with Canada is a bit different than just the pure NATO relationship with those other countries.
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When is the last time the UK didn't support us? We have had one of the closest alliances in history with them since 1941 and now it looks to be in shambles. The Special Relationship isn't just rhetoric, its been the backbone of our foreign policy thinking for 75 years.

Among the NATO allies in general, all of the major powers condemned us with only tertiary members like Hungary, Croatia, Poland and Romania at least abstaining (I'm not counting Canada in this group because the only reason they're probably not condemning us is the ongoing renegotiation of NAFTA and our alliance with Canada is a bit different than just the pure NATO relationship with those other countries.
Long time allies are shaking their heads in disgust at the drastic shift we went through from Obama to Trump.
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1812?

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BBC finally has the full list up.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-42450062

Australia abstained too, but yeah, basically every country of significance, except Australia and Canada, condemned the change.
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Practical, but cowardly.
Not entirely sure I'd go so far as cowardly, but I can understand the sentiment. If Trump wasn't Trump, well, we wouldn't be in this situation to begin with, but that abstain is essentially "we'd vote yes, but we have to live with these guys and it's just not worth the headache."
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I keep being given fresh reason to be embarrassed by my country.

The only possible reason I can think of is fear of Chinese invasion and relying on the US being a deterrent to this occurring.
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I keep being given fresh reason to be embarrassed by my country.

The only possible reason I can think of is fear of Chinese invasion and relying on the US being a deterrent to this occurring.
You're leader didn't tweet this out.



And let's not forget him haranguing Obama for playing golf once in a blue moon, and then proceeded to go EVERY WEEKEND to his resort in Florida to play golf.
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Oh, I concede that US citizens have more reason to feel embarrassed by the decisions of their elected officials than Australian citizens do at the moment, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be embarrassed by the decisions being made by the twats in charge.
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...or that Obama was mostly golfing on federal land.

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Contrast that with Trump, who not only has played golf far more frequently, but has done so at his own courses, thus having the Secret Service (and everyone else who travels with him) defraud American taxpayers by constantly making the govt pay money directly into Trump's own pocket. It's not just Trump's treasonous actions that are so brazen, so to is the more run-of-the-mill fraudulent activities. Who could have possibly guessed that a money laundering con man would so thoroughly defraud, betray, and embarrass the country?
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Looks like a schism is occurring within the American Nazi Party...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ng-white-house

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I wonder what his insane tweet storm yesterday was covering up...clearly it was meant to distract from something. Are more Mueller indictments in the offing? Maybe Kushner & Ivanka this time around?
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Bannon apparently destroys Trump and his family members in an upcoming book. And Trump flipped out completely today when the excerpts were published since they're a bit less than flattering to say the least.

Words like "treasonous" and "idiot" were in the quotes from Bannon.

https://www.theguardian.com/australi...on?CMP=soc_568
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