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Old 10-29-2009, 06:17 PM
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Anyway I would have to agree with at least part of Windy's argument -
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I have a gut feeling that no-one (save possibly the Dark One himself) actually expected Rand to be able to use the True Power there. I interpreted it as another aspect of the strange bond between Rand and Moridin, which even Moridin admits he still doesn't understand.
I agree. If the Semirhage incident was planned then I think it came from straight from the DO. No way Moridin could have predicted Rand's use of the True Power.

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Of course, now that the DO has his claws in Rand, there's no chance he'll let go.
What are the consequences of Rand touching the TP anyway?
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Old 10-29-2009, 06:46 PM
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I agree. If the Semirhage incident was planned then I think it came from straight from the DO. No way Moridin could have predicted Rand's use of the True Power.
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Anyway I would have to agree with at least part of Windy's argument - I have a gut feeling that no-one (save possibly the Dark One himself) actually expected Rand to be able to use the True Power there. I interpreted it as another aspect of the strange bond between Rand and Moridin, which even Moridin admits he still doesn't understand. Of course, now that the DO has his claws in Rand, there's no chance he'll let go.
I am not confident that Shadar Haran and Moridin were acting together in this release of Semi. I believe Moridin wrote her off and considered her a done deal when he ordered no aid be sent to her from any of the chosen.
I think Shadar Haran acted on his own to free her. Whether or not he did so because he was trying to force Rand to use the True Power... I don't really think that was something he forsaw because of a theory I am coming up with:

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What are the consequences of Rand touching the TP anyway?
What i found most interesting in that encounter was that just moments prior, Rand was talking to LTT in his mind about what went wrong when he sealed the prison. I immediately jotted that particular page number down...

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Lews Therin! Rand snapped in his mind. What did we do? How did you seal the Bore last time?

It didn't work, Lews Therin whispered. We used saidin, but we touched it to the Dark One. It was the only way! Something has to touch him, something to close the gap, but he was able to taint it. The seal was weak!

Yes, but what do we do differently? Rand thought.
Now, in light of Rand having touched the True Power, and being able to use it... I think it is quite possible that Rand will use the True Power to completely reseal the Bore, good as new. The One Power has already been proven to be corruptible by the Dark one... It makes sense to me that the only seal of the Bore that can possible work and not be tainted and corrupted by the Dark One... is the power of the Dark One himself.
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That did occur to me. There has been some consideration on other forums that Callandor is not only a One Power Sa'angreal but work with the True Power as well. This would make sense considering the apparent flaw it has. I'm not sure I buy it though. Just for the fact that I don't want Rand using Evil to fight the Dark one. Rand is a force of good and shouldn't be forced to use the True Power to win the last battle.

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That did occur to me. There has been some consideration on other forums that Callandor is not only a One Power Sa'angreal but work with the True Power as well. This would make sense considering the apparent flaw it has. I'm not sure I buy it though. Just for the fact that I don't want Rand using Evil to fight the Dark one. Rand is a force of good and shouldn't be forced to use the True Power to win the last battle.

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I thought of that too, that the flaw in callandor might possibly amplify the True Power

...however, I no longer sure that the True Power has any limits as to how much one can draw:

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And Rand found himself filled with an alien power. Not saidin, not saidar, but something else. Something he's never felt before.

Oh, Light, Lews Therin suddenly screamed. That's impossible! We can't use it! Cast it away! That is death we hold, death and betrayal.

It is HIM.

Rand closed his eyes as he knelt above Min, then he channeled the strange, unknown force. Energy and life surged through him, a torrent of power like saidin, only ten times as sweet and a hundred times as violent. It made him alive, made him realize that he'd never been alive before. It gave him such strength as he'd never imagined. It rivaled, even, the power he held when drawing from the Choedan Kal.
So I am not sure if amplification would be required.

Besides, the flaw magnifies the taint... the taint isnt the True Power.
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...however, I no longer sure that the True Power has any limits as to how much one can draw:
I think that's to do with a fundamental difference between the OP and the TP. Namely, one can draw only a certain amount of the OP, which is predetermined by the body one has - this can obviously be multiplied by angreal, but it's still an augmentation from your preexisting baseline. The TP, however, seems to be doled out "personally" by the Dark One; ergo, in theory, one could use however much He deigns to give you access to at one time.
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