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Old 11-02-2009, 10:25 AM
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I didn't mind how Graendal died (if she did). It was over fairly quickly once Rand got his intel (same as with Rahvin following Morgase's supposed death) as opposed to the 2 book build-up with Sammael that just dragged on. And he didn't do something foolish like gating in with an army.

I guess the irony is that she (possibly) died in her "box" like she manipulated Sammael into doing.
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I disagree that she didn't need to be forced. To bond someone against their will, while not unheard of, is definitely something looked down upon in Aes Sedai culture, and in this case to bond the Dragon Reborn...I don't think it is something that Verin simply talks someone into.
Min had a vision which said that Alanna was in Rand's hand, a willing following of the Dragon Reborn in Cairhien. Min had a separate different vision about those Aes Sedai who were subject to Verin's compulsion in Cairhien. That's one hint that Alanna was never subject to compulsion. Another hint is Verin's own words, of not using Compulsion on sisters with Warders, if given a choice. Well, Alanna had two warders with her in Fal Dara, and two warders in Two Rivers until one of them was killed. Verin never would of been able to have a chance at Compulsion with Alanna, as her warders would of noticed it immediately.

A similar situation occurred with one the Black Ajah captured by the Black Ajah hunters in Tar Valon, when a sister was forced to use an Oath Rod. That sister had a warder, and after his sister was exposed as a BA, he killed himself.

Alanna had a belief that the Dragon Reborn had to be "guided" into battle at T'G similar to what Moiraine had at one time in the story. (Who explained this belief to Alanna, likely? But Verin herself, as she did with Moiraine in New Spring when both were novices.) Except Moiraine was of the Blue Ajah, as she told Perrin at one point in the story on the way to Tear, while Alanna was of the Green Ajah. That different of Ajah matters here, as both Alanna and Moiraine had common friends as novices in the "New Spring" book. Verin took advantage of Alanna beliefs system, but she didn't use Compulsion on Alanna. If Verin was using Compulsion why did she tell Perrin to stay away from Alanna in Two Rivers, after learning Rand was the Dragon Reborn? Verin could of just use more Compulsion, if one agreed with your faction's argument. Why, risk the chance telling Perrin anything about Alanna's intentions?


Not everyone Vedin interacted with was a BA nor was subject to Compulsion....


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Selande Darengil in Cairhien?
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