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Okay - not sure if I will get around to it tonight, but there is plenty to be discussed, not the least of all an answer to questions about balefire, Finns, Graendal, etc.
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Default Although, here are two that I don't think got recorded

I asked: Was the taint influential in the creation/development/existence of the voice of Lews Therin in Rand's head?

Brandon answered that the taint was influential, but not the only factor. He referenced Semirhage, that of course we can't believe the Forsaken always, but yes, that the taint was an influence in the the voice. That we have to accept that in fact, in a way, Rand is going insane (as in as the books progress).

I asked, in essence, are One Power and True Power balefire the same.

He answered that the True Power is another source of power, that Aes Sedai were researching another source, like a different form of battery, to power their weaves and that in for balefire, what it does is essentially the same between both power sources, but that it has different affects on the individual using the power source (this appeared to be a reference to what True Power does to its user).

WISH I HAD THESE ON TAPE, so I had the exact wording of question and answer...but I'm sure he'll answer them on the record again, because he believed he was on the record, but ustream was messed up at that moment.

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I asked: Was the taint influential in the creation/development/existence of the voice of Lews Therin in Rand's head?

Brandon answered that the taint was influential, but not the only factor. He referenced Semirhage, that of course we can't believe the Forsaken always, but yes, that the taint was an influence in the the voice. That we have to accept that in fact, in a way, Rand is going insane (as in as the books progress).
I wonder what he was getting at with Semirhage. Because the cases she mentioned couldn't possibly have had anything to do with the taint. I'm not saying the taint didn't influence the development of Rand's voice - it obviously did - just that I don't know what he's getting at with Semirhage.

But this answer makes it seems as though he will be willing to go further, that his earlier reluctance was indeed about spoilers.
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That he was saying that she was right to connect voices and taint...but at the same time, that isn't all that is going on with Rand and doesn't explain fully his situation, and she is Forsaken after all, so you can't actually believe her fully.
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hmm, I got the impression in chapter 1 when it first came out that he was aware of our arguments about Lews Therin, because he had Rand think that Semirhage rarely lies.

But the only thing that the real'ers ever used her for was the 'real voice' bit (which of course doesn't mean anything beyond the obvious, that the memories are real). The anti- taint barrier degradation people used her for....well, anti- taint barrier degradation arguments, lol (Graendal's pre-taint patients). The constructors pointed out that Semirhage answered Cadsuane's question, "How can you be sure?" with "Because he is insane."
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I asked: Was the taint influential in the creation/development/existence of the voice of Lews Therin in Rand's head?

Brandon answered that the taint was influential, but not the only factor. He referenced Semirhage, that of course we can't believe the Forsaken always, but yes, that the taint was an influence in the the voice. That we have to accept that in fact, in a way, Rand is going insane (as in as the books progress).
Sounds like a reference to barrier degradation theory, to me.
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Yeah, I thought the same, which is why it was confusing - because Semirhage introduced the biggest argument AGAINST barrier degradation (Graendal's pre-taint patients).
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The taint was an influence in the voice, sure, but the memories? These are two different things.
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I wonder if BS is becoming tricksy. But too mean to share my thoughts right now.
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Yeah, I thought the same, which is why it was confusing - because Semirhage introduced the biggest argument AGAINST barrier degradation (Graendal's pre-taint patients).
I think the point is, even without the taint, people can become insane, and that sometimes that insanity is caused by "barrier degradation" in which case the voice you hear is "real". The taint basically causes corruption in your body, which makes all sorts of "normal" insanity possible.

Sort of like: A wound can become infected without the taint, but a wound will become infected with the taint.

So, the taint could cause "barrier degradation" but other things could cause it as well (some sort of trauma/injury, birth defect, or whatever)

Semirhage is an expert in insanity.
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Graendal's the insanity expert. Semirhage is an expert in pain.

I understand the concepts - just not sure what, exactly, BS was referring to with Semirhage.
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Sounds like a huge victory for Barrier Degradation...which makes for a happy Davian.
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Dinner with the Storm Leaders.

Note to readers - I did not transcribe the entire hour long conversation. Instead, I picked what I thought were the most important plot related items.

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Brandon summarizes why the next book will be a bit more chaotic than The Gathering Storm, which may make Towers of Midnight a longer book. The Gathering Storm feels focused, whereas the Towers of Midnight may not feel that way.

Brandon discusses Mistborn questions.

Brandon mentioned that Peter knows the secret.

Matt - Question: Did Robert Jordan leave a power to time comparison, as to how much time is burned back on a thread using balefire. Is there a calculation that says x amount of power will burn back x amount of time on a thread?

Brandon: M.A.F.O – Maria and Find Out. What he did leave, he left a lot of stuff, there is discussion of these things in the notes. I need to look and see if there is an actual equation. He was very focused on strength of the power and things like that. He has probably told you before, I think I’ve seen a copy of that on notes and things. He did leave scales on exactly how powerful each person is…

Matt - Question: The Choedan Kal, does it amplify your power? Is it a limited, for example, if I have a certain amount of power does it give me 10x what I have, or is it a certain amount of power I can access?

Brandon: One of the things I’ve been doing when I answer questions is that I’ve been saying that this is my understanding and putting an asterisk at the bottom that is a - I am speaking from my understanding and not from specific knowledge from the notes, meaning yes I am probably right but these are the questions I could be wrong on…this one my understanding is that it is a reservoir of power. It is not necessarily a magnification. A very weak person with a very powerful sa’angreal is very powerful. I’m pretty sure on that one, but I will add the asterisk just in case. If you send me an email, I can go back and look to make sure. But I’m reasonably sure on that one, the reasons being things that are talked about in the notes mixed with the way an’greal and sa’angreal worked previously in the books mixed with two specific things that he talked about in the notes when people using an’greal and sa’angreal after they become very weak or after they are weak.

Matt - Question: We know that in the Age of Legends that the Forsaken/Chosen, everyone agreed to stop using Balefire because of its effects on the Pattern. Is it unrealistic then to say that a great amount of power could burn someone’s thread back a year or six months. Is that an unrealistic thing to say that there is enough power available to either one or multiple people to burn somebody back that far?

Brandon: I see what you are getting at you are trying to figure out if killed Graendal with a whole lot of balefire would bring Asmodean back to life.

Matt: …like that could ever happen…

Brandon: That’s what you are digging for isn’t you?

Matt: Let’s say, if a Forsaken was responsible for killing another Forsaken.

Brandon: Uh huh

Matt: And said Forsaken was balefired….

Brandon: You are under the assumption…You are trying to figure out who killed Asmodean again. That’s what you are trying to do and I’m not going to get caught and let you know…

Matt: It’s a legit question…and I’m sure whatever is said at this table stays at this table…

Brandon: I’m sure, the leader of Theoryland and the guy taping this…

~much laughter~

Brandon: Let’s divorce it. Rand balefires Rahvin as hardcore as he could and Rand is one of the most powerful people to live and he got us, what have you determined, from the lightning killing Mat until balefire killed Rahvin, I’d guess fifteen minutes.

Matt: Well, he at least got us fifteen minutes. We don’t know how far back, we just know up to that moment.

Brandon: Well, we do know because if it had been too much further than that we would have noticed a lot of discrepancies in the Pattern from things he’d done…

Matt: Let’s say thirty minutes to an hour, at the most

Brandon: Alright, thirty minutes to an hour. Okay, let’s say the Choedan Kal amplifies his abilities 100 fold…let’s say it’s a 100 times more powerful than Rand. That’s giving us, lets say he got an hour, we’ve got four days, from the most powerful, one of the most powerful sa’angreal ever created. I think it is unrealistic to assume you can get back a year, but that’s not saying it is impossible. I think that if you did that to the Pattern the ramifications would be so dramatic you’d see the Pattern unraveling hardcore at that point, it’s like balefiring an entire city. When I first read that guess I just laughed, I’m like guys c’mon lets run the math on this.

Matt: Like I said to Jennifer, it is my job at Theoryland to entertain these ideas.

Brandon: Yes it is, it is your job to entertain them. But in the terms of Mythbusters let’s go ahead and call that one “Busted” in the realistic world. I’ve got to give you at least something, so I’ll at least give you that…If it were possible to do things like that, we’d have the Dark One just going and balefiring you know Tam so Rand never gets picked up off the mountain….

[…]

Brandon: I think it is more loose guidelines than it is a formula.


Matt Question: I don’t think Jordan ever, maybe somebody asked, in his notes does he ever say what the treaties were between the finns and the people with whom they made them. Are those treaties actually written down somewhere?

Brandon: Um – I think that you may see some of this in the encyclopedia. How is that for a Robert Jordan answer for you. The encyclopedia is coming. [Stuff about the Big White Book]. It is actually going to be an encyclopedia…Harriet, Maria and Alan are working on that. Memory of Light comes first so they have to keep dividing their time. My guess would be 2012, but if we’re really on the ball, I would think releasing it the same year of the last volume would be a smart thing to do…Peter will you take a note to let Maria know that I told them that that might happen so she is not blind sided by it. She and Harriet will have to decide if that goes in if anything regarding that goes in. The original treaty between the Aelfinn and Eelfinn and mankind. Just remind me to talk to Harriet to talk to Maria about it.

Matt: Are the treaties different?

Brandon: Different from what?

Matt: There are two treaties…(hard to hear what I ask next, but I’m clarifying Snakes and Foxes).

Brandon: They are similar, how about that. They are similar enough that they could be considered functionally identical but there are little differences.

About the Upcoming Epic Magic Battle Between Brandon and Jason Denzel

See, I’m expecting…the reason why I’m doing it like I’m doing it. I’m giving myself a handicap. I’m not going to draw back into my stock of super cards like I could do. I’m only going to use the cards I’ve been given. It’s the natural, smaller pool. I’m expecting him to go and build the uber super deck. He can reach to any cards he wants and build the perfect deck…he’s going to need the fans to tell him what to make and then to make it…I don’t feel sorry for Jason at all. He’s going to come at me with some uber deck perfected by fans at tournaments…oh he’s good at getting sympathy, but I’m going to expose him for what he is…
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I asked: Was the taint influential in the creation/development/existence of the voice of Lews Therin in Rand's head?

Brandon answered that the taint was influential, but not the only factor. He referenced Semirhage, that of course we can't believe the Forsaken always, but yes, that the taint was an influence in the the voice. That we have to accept that in fact, in a way, Rand is going insane (as in as the books progress).
Tam: did you ask how the voice came into existance and not the memories?

Because if you did, than it might be the construct theory is less likely. Because they are off the opinion the memories might have come because of the taint , but the voice was constructed
The quote of Semirhage is about people hearing a REAL past life voice in their head.

But what did he mean with Rand going insane??

agggh, couldn't you have asked more? What is your impression of what Brandon tried to say?
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Good job grilling him Tam.

Did you shine a bright light in his eyes while asking about the balefire issue? Good cop bad cop action?
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But what did he mean with Rand going insane??
That it had a lot to do with the construction of the voice.

And Dav, that's way too vague to say it's real evidence of barrier degradation....not saying that's not what BS was getting at, but that you shouldn't count your chickens....
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