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Old 11-10-2009, 02:32 PM
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At DragonCon '05, that question was asked, because I think it was wondered how that occurred, as in was it an affect of the OP or the Creator (and I think in the past I have wondered if it was T'A'R related). I'll quote it again:

What the Wheel wants, the Wheel often gets, even when it has to get involved directly.
That makes sense. I still don't think it was a PLE at that moment, because I think it was just Rand imagining the sequence.

But I do think it's possible that a PLE occured, and probably for the same reasons that the PLE at falme happened as well. The pattern needed only one true Dragon. At Dragonmount, it needed Rand to have all the advantage of his prior incarnation, so it merged LTT and Rand, effectively creating one true Dragon.
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It's not that pre-planning is itself cheap, it's that it cheapens Rand's clarity of vision and personal transformation at that moment. To use a dangerous analogy, what if Jesus, after asking why God had forsaken him, heard a whisper in his ear, "Don't worry, you'll be back in three days my son." Doesn't that cheapen his sacrifice?

At moments of personal crisis, to have the Pattern or Wheel or God intervene is lame.
I don't think that cheapens his sacrifice whatsoever, because you still have to believe the voice and believe what it is telling you and believe that it is not yourself or that you are crazy. God intervenes throughout Christ's life and iirc, sends an angel to him while he suffers in Gethsemane to comfort him.

Plus, I see this PLE like I would a religious vision, which I don't think cheapens the experience at all. Why is the OP as the causing agent any less cheap than the Wheel?

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Well that was kind of my whole point--he has to access the OP through T'A'R, and drawing that much meant he could access the properties of T'A'R without going there. It's a leap, I understand.
We agree, it's a leap - but like I said, T'A'R is believable.
 

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