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Old 11-12-2009, 09:12 AM
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I am curious how a return of the voice would happen though. Might shed some light on this debate. It is just unfortunate that we wont be getting an answer.
I have already said that I predict a return of the 'voice' next time Rand sees Taim. And yes, that would definitely shed further light on the debate...
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It wouldn't remember the quote from Semirhage. That's it's hard to integrate?
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Yeah, but Rand is already integrated. And I didn't mean it would shed light for the die-hard real'ers. Obviously you guys will be Whitecloaks till the bitter end.
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Perhaps he will unintegrate again?
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Perhaps he will unintegrate again?
Or possibly disintegrate?

I believe there's been prophecies about that sort of thing.
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So Bela, do you think you understand the realer's side yet? Or just Sodas'?
I have a personal conception of the "real" argument that I understand pretty well, though I don't subscribe to it. It's whenever I get into discussions with other Realers that they start bringing up things that don't make any sense to me.
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Differentiate, possibly
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Terez, I sorta resent the Whitecloak comment.... Although I consider faith a fair method for making some decisions (especially when there isn't enough hard data to come to a proper determination based on logic alone,) it seems more rational to me to say that LTT's actual personality coalesced in Rand's mind rather than try to say that a subconscious construct gets repeatedly confused by things like whether the body has always belonged to it or not. Or is willing to surrender it's own existence when it is by definition a collection of unpleasantness and insanity. Or maybe Rand surrendered to the fake voice, that idea was never clear to me.

There's adequate proof for and against each side, which looks much better when we interpret it according to our personal prejudices... I think it's best if nobody tries to indicate that there is a 'correct' perspective when all the evidence we have has purposefully been left vague and open.

In any case, I hope the voice really is gone. I'm pretty tired of it at this point. Also: I like it when 'never' really means 'never.' Or means next sentence, cause that can be funny occasionally.

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He knew - somehow - that he would never again hear Lews Therin's voice in his head. For they were not two men, and never had been.

He regarded the world beneath him. The clouds above had finally broken.
Thank the light, Lews Therin quipped, All that gloom was really beginning to bring my mood down... Rand felt a moment of shock and then laughed so hard that he fell backwards onto the rocks, tears streaming from his eyes. He guessed he was madder than ever now. So much for Power-granted epiphanies. Shut up already said Lews Therin, We think too much.
That said, Rand will probably just be predisposed towards being very mistrustful of Taim and his cronies (if he doesn't meet them in open battle next time he sees them,) which is exactly how a sane person should act anyway.
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Terez, I sorta resent the Whitecloak comment....
It was intended to make you resent it! lol...obviously I don't think that the evidence is so equally weighted as you (and Isa, and others) make out.

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Although I consider faith a fair method for making some decisions (especially when there isn't enough hard data to come to a proper determination based on logic alone,) it seems more rational to me to say that LTT's actual personality coalesced in Rand's mind rather than try to say that a subconscious construct gets repeatedly confused by things like whether the body has always belonged to it or not.
Confusion is the nature of a subconsciously-constructed personality because, after all, the existence of the second personality doesn't make any sense. And this is Rand's own confusion that we see through the construct.

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Or is willing to surrender it's own existence when it is by definition a collection of unpleasantness and insanity.
Not sure what you're getting at here.

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I think it's best if nobody tries to indicate that there is a 'correct' perspective when all the evidence we have has purposefully been left vague and open.
I don't think it's very 'vague and open' at all. There is a clear breadcrumb trail to follow here, with Rand's motives and the development of the 'voice'.

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That said, Rand will probably just be predisposed towards being very mistrustful of Taim and his cronies (if he doesn't meet them in open battle next time he sees them,) which is exactly how a sane person should act anyway.
Lews Therin wanted to kill Taim. Rand always wondered why. Yet, when Lews Therin's 'voice' went away (after Cadsuane mentioned the voices of madmen), Rand found himself in a situation where he was dealing with Taim's cronies. And guess what? Rand wanted to kill Torval. Very much so. And guess what else? That is the chapter where the 'voice' came back. Of course, it was entirely a sane reaction for Rand to mistrust Torval, and even for him to want to kill Torval. But it was a very inconvenient reaction. That's why Rand always expressed those desires through Lews Therin, and why, when he expressed them on his own due to the absence of Lews Therin, he quickly reinstated the construct. He banished the construct because of the implication that he was mad, but the later implications with Torval were more troublesome to him.
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LTT also often expressed the wish to kill the Forsaken, but when Rand offed Semirhage, LTT was uncomfortable about that.
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LOL, mostly because of the True Power. But yeah, there are many examples of Rand changing his mind throughout the series, and Lews Therin is always his 'inner voice', offering up the objections whichever way they fall.
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