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Old 11-20-2009, 02:39 PM
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We don't know this. We know that Heroes of the Horn have access to every memory during one turn of the Wheel (but not about multiple turns), and it shouldn't be forgotten that Heroes are a very special group. ...
We know that every Soul contains the same memory record tha Heroes have or it would not be possible to add to the Hero's ranks which Hawkwing explicity stated is possible.

That the Soul contains every past life's imprint isn't as explicitly stated, but what is stated about the extent of Heros' memories while between incarnations doesn't seem to me to fit within a single Turning.

As for Karma not existing in the WOT, I think it does. What is missing is the Budhist concept of rewards and punishements progressing along the road to Nirvana through multiple incarnations. Karma in the WOT seems to be a "during this lifetime" system of rewards and penalties rather than an eternal system.
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We know that every Soul contains the same memory record tha Heroes have or it would not be possible to add to the Hero's ranks which Hawkwing explicity stated is possible.

That the Soul contains every past life's imprint isn't as explicitly stated, but what is stated about the extent of Heros' memories while between incarnations doesn't seem to me to fit within a single Turning.
But we have no indication about a Hero having a pre-hero memory. Birgitte significantly has no a single memory being not a Hero, and she doesn't remember her current life as a Warder in the past turn, but only vague gossips about some warder woman. And Heroes can know that others join their rank just by seeing noobs among their ranks, right?

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As for Karma not existing in the WOT, I think it does. What is missing is the Budhist concept of rewards and punishements progressing along the road to Nirvana through multiple incarnations. Karma in the WOT seems to be a "during this lifetime" system of rewards and penalties rather than an eternal system.
The "during the lifetime" karma is definitely quite twisted in being represented by the Wheel's workings, that do not exactly make justice, but just work for It's oun ends manipulating people undiscriminately. And an equivalent of a karma between lives is too much widespread in the form that what you do in one life usually determines what you are born in the next one, independently of whether there is a path to Nirvana or no. It's there in such distant branches of reincarnation believes as the pythagorean reincarnation for instance. Usually in beliefs about reincarnation this dependancy is why the belief is suggested important, it seems.
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Overall, I agree with the idea that it is a gap, not a barrier.

I've argued this before, that the concept of a barrier is flawed. And the concepts of fraying the viel between lives is a poor description of what happened.

My favorite quote that supports this is actually back in Crossroads,

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For an instant, he thought those must have been Lews Therin's reflections. He had never gone on that way about the Creator or anything else that he recalled. But he could feel Lews Therin nodding in approval, a man listening to someone else. Still, it was not the kind of thing he would have considered before Lews Therin. How much space remained between them?
I guess where I disagree, is in the concept that it's a gap between Rand and his former lives. I think it's just a gap between Rand and one particular former life, LTT.
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