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I know I'm going to be burned forever for bringing this up again, but since it's me that's not really different from what my day to day life would be anyway.

I've been away for a great while and am way too lazy to track down other Asmodean threads so someone might well have posted all that I am going to say now.

Anyway, since I first read the series I assumed that Lanfear had made the three wishes resulting in her death as well as Asmodean's and her decrease in strength was some sort of side effect. I went through a whole lot of other suspects from the Forsaken to Mat and Aviendha, but even when there was a possible motive it seemed farfetched and certainly far from obvious.

The only obvious motive beside Lanfear's was Moiraine's and I actually found it more satisfying as Rand had somehow escaped Lanfear's wrath. I chose Lanfear because I assumed her to have died because she had made the wishes and Moiraine to be alive because she hadn't.

This was changed by TOM when it was revealed that Lanfear's death was an accident and more importantly Moiraine had made the wishes. I am certain that at least one of the wishes enabled her to kill Asmodean.

How this happened is open to a wide range of possibilities depending on how powerfull the Eelfinn are in granting wishes, but the most satisfying scenario is this: Moiraine's two other wishes were to let her go to Tel'aran'rhiod and to pull Asmodean there after which she balefired him. The snags are as I said whether or not the Eelfinn can do this and what happened to Asmodean's body.

I can't offer proof of the Eelfinn's powers but I don't think TAR related abilities are unreasonable assumptions. With Asmodean's body there are three possibilities: 1) The Eelfinn could actually pull him into TAR in the flesh, 2) Getting balefired in TAR also destroys your body and 3) Asmodean's body was simply disposed of among the other bodies that resulted from the fight in Caemlyn either by mistake or by darkfriends. The third possibility is by far the simplest especially if you assume the corpse to be somewhat singed if not actually destroyed by the TAR balefire. The second leans heavily on assumption though it is not an unreasonable one. The first I find least likely to be possible, but if possible most likely to be true.

So there you have it. My final take on the death of Asmodean. It may well be that this has already been brought up and you have discussed it to the point of wanting to puke, but I'm posting this anyway in hopes that there is at least something others haven't said before now.
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Graendal did it and it was confirmed by Brandon, the glossary of ToM and everyone else.

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I can't offer proof of the Eelfinn's powers but I don't think TAR related abilities are unreasonable assumptions.
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Graendal did it and it was confirmed by Brandon, the glossary of ToM and everyone else.

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He was right - gonna get burned for that one. When it's unequivocally answered by something between the covers...
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TOM Glossary.... Ooooh the burning fires of embarrassment. That's what I get for skippin on Glossaries and taking two year vacations from TL. There goes all the cred I had and all I didn't have too. But I like my solution better. And Graendal is hardly obvious.

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LOL - good try, though! I hated the idea of Graedal doing it, and still haven't heard a scenario that I like enough to endorse, but given her PoV and the glossary, I'm stuck with this fact and its implications. Alas.
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Yeah, I agree that I don't like it - it got all built up and the answer was not some nifty justification, just, "OH BTW ASMODEAN" in the glossary.

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LOL - good try, though! I hated the idea of Graedal doing it, and still haven't heard a scenario that I like enough to endorse, but given her PoV and the glossary, I'm stuck with this fact and its implications. Alas.
Seems pretty likely that as Natael suggested might happen, an opportunity kill, though I wouldn't put it past them to have used Graendal as the extra-person in the plot to clear up that little loose.

Referencing the Graendal-Lanfear-Rahvin-Sammael alliance that Moghedian told Nynaeve about. Lanfear was already out of the picture, and it's not unreasonable to think that Graendal and Sammael might have been in the palace at the time, seeing where the chips fell.
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Yeah, I agree that I don't like it - it got all built up and the answer was not some nifty justification, just, "OH BTW ASMODEAN" in the glossary.

But it doesn't matter THAT much to me.
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It was only put in the glossary because it was revealed in the Epilogue already.
What I mean to say is that the revelation doesn't appear to have any purpose in the narrative except as a curio, at which point I question why it was made into such a big deal in the first place.
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What I mean to say is that the revelation doesn't appear to have any purpose in the narrative except as a curio, at which point I question why it was made into such a big deal in the first place.
Same reason that "mice and figs" works. Fans make up explanations more crazy and convoluted than RJ ever would have (See: Two Servants theory - I was a fan). RJ never gave any indication that "Who Killed Asmo" was a big deal, he just liked messing with fans and thought it was obvious enough. He also might have wanted to leave himself leeway in case he wanted to use that subplot later, which is a reason not to come out and say it, or to write it in just to have it written in and established.
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Same reason that "mice and figs" works. Fans make up explanations more crazy and convoluted than RJ ever would have (See: Two Servants theory - I was a fan). RJ never gave any indication that "Who Killed Asmo" was a big deal, he just liked messing with fans and thought it was obvious enough. He also might have wanted to leave himself leeway in case he wanted to use that subplot later, which is a reason not to come out and say it, or to write it in just to have it written in and established.
Exactly. Personally, I was never all that concerned over who killed him. It was just a matter of time before someone got him and I was/am more concerned with things that still meant something like the identity of Mesaana and location/identity/proxy of Demandred.
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