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They are the oldest known Christian texts, perhaps. But then, in the first couple of centuries of the existence of Christianity, the Paulists have been very active in destroying and prohibiting a lot of other, possibly older, Christian texts. Which, all in all, casts a lot of doubt on the idea that what is nowadays called Christianity had much to do with what Jesus said and preached. Only the things that got the approval of the followers of Paul (who never even saw or heard Jesus himself) was allowed to be passed on, the things they disapproved of were banned as "not being genuine".
Yes, they are the oldest known, which is why I, in fact, wrote the oldest known. And many rather unorthodox gospels are known (at least in fragments), including some that were quite harshly condemned by the church fathers. But none of these predate Paul, which makes me think that the entire tradition of writing gospels came after his time, probably as Christians wanted to know more about Christ and therefore collected, reinterpreted, and in many cases likely invented traditions about him.

The point is, in case you missed it, that we can't really know with any degree of certainty what came before Paul, except that it can reasonably be assumed that he was instrumental in making Christianity more than a rather eccentric Jewish sect by taking the religion to the gentiles. This, of course, makes Paul--maybe more so than Christ--the effective founder of the religion as we know it today, and indeed have known it since antiquity.
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Which, in turn, means that those who put Paul in front (rather than other bits of the NT) aren't all that far off when it comes to being Christians, doesn't it?
I'm not trying that Paul was right, nor that he was wrong. I am merely trying to argue that Phelps was closer to what "being a Christian" has meant than the ones who nowadays try to preach the values of secularism without wholly abandoning the Bible.
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There is a case that James was concurrent with Christ. Even that James was Jesus' brother and that those ties were so close that the Paulists - including Peter - could not completely expunge him or his book, which has a very distinctive flavor.
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