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Would that be this thread?

Searching on Yuku seems to be broken now But I found this thread mentioning Siuan, via google:

http://theoryland.yuku.com/topic/3386
no, actually this one
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Are we certain that Berelain walks in the Light?
How about Aludra?
I know! Olver is a darkfriend!
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I've always suspected one of the Sisters once with Mat (the whole weighing two Sisters thing, which has likely been done with Verin/Mo) and at least one of the Sisters with Perrin (via Shiny Dragon "Man" theory), although I have not thought on these two pets for a while.
I love the concept of Sorilea as DF (BS was a little too quick on the uptake with my qs on that one, lol). Dobraine I have also favoured, simply because he's so... dependable.
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Of course, Dobraine was nearly killed by Darkfriends looking for the Seals...that would be one hell of a way for him to prove his loyalty. He shouldn't have survived that attack.
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Of course, Dobraine was nearly killed by Darkfriends looking for the Seals...that would be one hell of a way for him to prove his loyalty. He shouldn't have survived that attack.
I agree. Dobraine walks in the light
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I think it might be one of the non-allied AS that were with Perrin or Cadsuane, those withe borderlanders are not really named. I would not even list them as tertiary/third-tier. But when they get to Merrilor, they will all be pulled aside and re-sworn. I might guess Alanna, but too easy.

What about Timolin? Or is he not a high enough ranked character?

I might guess Elyas because his AS found out, but the wolves would have torn him apart.

Hope it is not Dobrain

What about Balwer? Deals in secrets, worms his way close to leaders, offers advice to them.. kept wanting Perrin to focus on the Children of Light.. Why. Because he was pissed at valda or.. maybe some Dark Prophecy indicates the CoL will be instrumental at TG. YEP I am going with Balwer
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What about Balwer? Deals in secrets, worms his way close to leaders, offers advice to them.. kept wanting Perrin to focus on the Children of Light.. Why. Because he was pissed at valda or.. maybe some Dark Prophecy indicates the CoL will be instrumental at TG. YEP I am going with Balwer
If it had been Balwer, then he would have eaten Perrin long since. And perhaps killed him too, somewhere in the process.

I don't think that Dark Balwer would be all that much nicer than Padan Fain, he would be smarter and consequently almost certainly a lot more effective.
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If it had been Balwer, then he would have eaten Perrin long since. And perhaps killed him too, somewhere in the process.
I agree on Balwer.

And given all the efforts put on killing Perrin and Mat, you'd think if the Shadow had an agent in either's inner circle, they would have used it by now.

It's especially true for the AS. Moridin seems to know or have a way to identify the BA.

There's also the fact the Borderlanders's thirteen, the sisters with Perrin, Cadsuane's group are all a Merrilor. Egwene won't lose much time before she's got them all tested with the Oath Rod. It's a bit pointless to have unrevealed BA in that lot, unless we're about to learn one or more of those sisters have suddenly vanished.
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1. Sorilea
2. Masuri
3. Would be surprised if anyone above those two in importance is a Darkfriend.

Annoura is another possibility but I can't make up my mind about her for some reason.
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1. He is a new Character
2. As king, he would be someone of importance, especially with all the effort in finding him
3. Iturade will do whatever he says.

However, this does not work as he has been subjected to Rand-o-vision
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1. He is a new Character
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3. Iturade will do whatever he says.

However, this does not work as he has been subjected to Rand-o-vision
Rand-o-vision doesn't work the way you think it does. It is neither a new power, nor an infallible detector of Darkfriends.
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Evidence points towards Alsalam not being a Darkfriend . Graendal doesn't use Darkfriends as her pets, and when Sammael commented that he was surprised Alsalam wasn't within her pets, she dismissed the suggestion, as she only used the finest looking, and he wasn't up to her standards.
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Annoura is another possibility but I can't make up my mind about her for some reason.
Because of the dealings with Masema?

It's about something else than them being DF, I think.

It relates to the whole matter of whether Rand's orders regarding Masema should or shouldn't be obeyed.

Annoura participated to that jointed WO-AS initiative in Berelain's back. Annoura thus placed other interests before Mayene's, as Berelain is convinced her interests lay in her service to the Dragon Reborn. Berelain probably didn't get a straight answer from Annoura, or got one of those "WT business" ones. Berelain can be very Paendrag at times. She seems to have seen this as a betrayal, and she's given the cold shoulder to Annoura since. Those two seemed fairly close, with Annoura having been before a loyal accomplice in Berelain's schemes. With her dealings in Berelain's back, Annoura ruined it.

It's still ongoing, Brandon referred to it again. We'll probably see before the end why it's relevant that Berelain distrusts Annoura now, and possibly this changed her favorable views on Aes Sedai in general. This has Hawkwing-ish overtones.

RJ set up a few things with Berelain that have not really played out yet.

*shrugs*. Now that they've "returned to civilization" and the WT leaders are close, perhaps Berelain will officially dismiss Annoura and tell the Tower she refuses to have another advisor. Berelain is throwing her lot with Rand, that's almost for certain. I guess it's well to remember that another thing RJ set up mid-series is that Egwene and Berelain really don't like each other much.
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Yes, and mostly because we know that whoever was causing the visions was female. But also for some other reasons. Masuri's great knowledge of Darkhounds, for example.
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Yes, and mostly because we know that whoever was causing the visions was female. But also for some other reasons. Masuri's great knowledge of Darkhounds, for example.
Everything points to the visions having come from Cyndane/Lanfear, though - from how it originally began in TDR (where it all began with dreams) to Graendal's reference that Cyndane and Moghedien were mustering DF for TG but also occasionally busy south trying to accomplish Moridin's orders (almost certainly a reference to Perrin/Mat).

Moghedien was the one Moridin kept using in Caemlyn - and she doesn't know Perrin and we know she's not looked into Rand early on, so it's probably Cyndane who made an attempt with Masema, after the attempt in Amadicia failed. She's most likely the one who manipulated his dreams before, so she knew how to operate.

The one who sent the visions had to know how to manipulate Masema. She pretty much had to be a skilled dreamwalker and possibly one with a Dreaming talent if that's required to enter other people's dreams.

It's also not like Moridin much to let go. If Annoura failed with Masema, she'd have gotten orders to try again and not fail this time. Annoura/Masuri were involved in fairly chaotic events, they had plenty of opportunities to deal with Perrin.

As for the DH, it's not so surprising knowledge from a Brown from the Borderlands, and if she's BA she didn't have Verin's excuse to find ways to pass information to the Light like that. There's Sheriam who passed some, but Sheriam is a known blabbermouth who talked way too much when she was upset (and both times she blabbered about Shadow stuff to the girls, she was quite upset).

I'll be surprised if one of Perrin's three is BA. They've not been used much by RJ (like most of the other "hidden" BA were... Sheriam, Alviarin, Elza, Verin, Careane etc.) and coming to Merrilor they'd be about to be caught by Egwene if they're BA anyway. Egwene won't let an Aes Sedai advisor who's close to Perrin beside remain untested long. Cadsuane and her circle are others Egwene won't let long remain unproven.
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Annoura is another possibility but I can't make up my mind about her for some reason.
Does Roedran count as a guess??

anyway, as some of you know, from probably my first days on this site i've been behind the idea that both Rhuarc and Berelain are darkfriends. I would love at least one of them to be....

Also, T, maybe this is inappropriate to ask but have you a copy of the book? I kinda assume you do and therefor i'm taking your suggestiins with a grain of salt!

Also,
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Nah, he's Demandred, which is different from being a random sleeper Darkfriend.

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Not yet. If I get one early I will announce it. I won't continue to theorize.
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