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heh, I'm sure others have thought of that one, but I also thought of it back in my early days on the board.
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Yeah, I know - I've thought of it long before this as well - but I've never seen anyone argue it convincingly. Not that it takes much to argue it convincingly....but the reminder in this book that Nynaeve only has to see a weave once to learn it is what convinced me. I never bought that she would Heal death. That would be lame. But the foreshadowings do point to it.....
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I'd like to expand Verin's letter to Mat (what it entails) to include something about why, if he doesn't open the letter, have to wait before going from Caemlyn. Buggs the hell out of me.
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For some reason I think Verin's letter has to do with Moiraine and the ToG.
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I'd like to expand Verin's letter to Mat (what it entails) to include something about why, if he doesn't open the letter, have to wait before going from Caemlyn. Buggs the hell out of me.
I think Verin's letter says that Mat must/should go to the Tower and fetch the Horn. She told him to wait because she'd bring it to him if she had managed to come out of the Tower alive. But what she told Egwene had to come first.
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For some reason I think Verin's letter has to do with Moiraine and the ToG.
Most likely that or she somehow know what will happen if Mat travels from Caemlyn before a certain time has passed.

I'm wondering if this has something to do with Moiraine or with Mat's safety. I don't see how anything would affect Moiraine by having Mat wait 30 days to rescue her. The number of days doesn't seem to be specific either, they compromised it to 30 days from 50 originally.

I think waiting 30 days is for Mat's benefit somehow.

What could possible change by waiting a seemingly arbitrary number of days?

Maybe Verin hope that the BA will be mostly erradicated in that time, which would make it easier for Mat to do what needs to be done, since both him and Perrin have now been targetted by the Shadow to a larger extent than before... Maybe the letter contains a list of BA that has been ordered to hunt Mat down?

Speaking of Perrin. Maybe he will get a visit from Verin too in ToM since both Mat's and Perrin's timeframe is a little behind everyone elses (at least Rand's). That would be a little weird, seeing her and knowing what will happen later.

Another thing, we know that an Aes Sedai can't lie even in a letter. But what about the "betray BA secret" oath Verin took. Can she write down those secrets in a letter and hand it off to someone? That would probably constitute as a betrayal, but maybe the loophole there is that the betrayal isn't a betrayal until the reciever of the letter actually reads it. So by making Mat promise not to read the letter until after she is either dead or have gotten her oath removed, she can give that letter to Mat.

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I think Verin's letter says that Mat must/should go to the Tower and fetch the Horn. She told him to wait because she'd bring it to him if she had managed to come out of the Tower alive. But what she told Egwene had to come first.
Another likely possibility. Mat would most likely not survive going to the WT when the BA still roam the halls. Clearing those out first makes the trip a lot more safe
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Any way her letter, when opened, can open a Gateway into the White Tower where the Horn is being kept?
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LOL...no, probably not. But he'll be in Camelyn with plenty of channelers capable of making a Gateway for him..something Verin would know.
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LOL...no, probably not. But he'll be in Camelyn with plenty of channelers capable of making a Gateway for him..something Verin would know.
true, but given that Egwene's now in charge most of those items are going to be moved and I'm thinking that the Horn of Valere will be one item that they want kept secure.
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true, but given that Egwene's now in charge most of those items are going to be moved and I'm thinking that the Horn of Valere will be one item that they want kept secure.
Well, Mat could always show Egwene Verin's letter and convince her, right? Seriously though, that's a good point. Assuming Siuan tells her where it is.
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Verin may have taken the Horn out of the Tower already. Perhaps the letter contains instructions on how to find it.
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Yes.
Not necessarily. I think thats the most likely possibility, but again, it brings up lots of questions of how the TP functions.

For example, we know that Semi was meant to capture Rand. We also know that anyone can touch the TP, the only obstacle is the DO's permission. Is it not possible the entire situation was a goad, to make Rand touch the TP and thus turn him to the Shadow?
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Verin may have taken the Horn out of the Tower already. Perhaps the letter contains instructions on how to find it.
I'm pretty sure she hasn't. I'll have to go back and check, but we've had one Horn of Valere sighting (Fain, when he recovers the dagger) since the early chapters of tSR. Verin has mentioned that she's been incapable of going back to the Tower, and I just don't remember where she took the Two Rivers girls. If she didn't take the to the Tower, the timing we have indicates strongly she would not have time to go to the Tower, go to Tear, go to the Damonas, and wait there for months.

Maybe terez or someone can help me out with the timing. Sadly, I'm in class and have no access to the books except memory.
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Maybe terez or someone can help me out with the timing. Sadly, I'm in class and have no access to the books except memory.
http://www.stevenac.net/wot/wotchron.htm

The Chronology isn't updated for tGS yet, but Verin's departure from Rand's company is marked.
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Is it not possible the entire situation was a goad, to make Rand touch the TP and thus turn him to the Shadow?
I'm afraid this question is going to be up to personal opinion for the foreseeable future. The way I read it, it seems obvious that nobody expected Rand to suddenly have access to the True Power, and it's shocking but logical that his link with Moridin could possibly give him that access. Since the link is "poorly understood" by everyone, I don't think it could be counted on to have this particular effect, except in hindsight.

As for "anyone can touch the True Power" - I don't disbelieve that this is basically true, but I don't really believe that it's as simple as all that.
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Verin has mentioned that she's been incapable of going back to the Tower, and I just don't remember where she took the Two Rivers girls.
Problem is, we now know that the story she fed Mat may have been fabricated, at least partly.
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As for "anyone can touch the True Power" - I don't disbelieve that this is basically true, but I don't really believe that it's as simple as all that.
Past discussion seem to me to have concluded that the ability to Channel the OP is a prerequisite for Channeling the True Power. Thus "anyone" is an overstatement or lacks a qualifier.
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