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Old 11-14-2009, 02:13 AM
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Why assume Compulsion? The Aes Sedai were taking turns guarding/shielding Semirhage. It isn't beyond the realm of possibility that Elza slipped in to try and help the Chosen with the hope of reward for her loyality.
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Old 11-14-2009, 02:17 AM
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Brandon's obsession with balefire isn't surprising. Rand was pretty obsessed with it throughout the book.
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Why assume Compulsion? The Aes Sedai were taking turns guarding/shielding Semirhage. It isn't beyond the realm of possibility that Elza slipped in to try and help the Chosen with the hope of reward for her loyality.
Something had to of altered Elza's mind to push her to find the Domination Band and to later attack the three Aes Sedai holding Semirhage's shield. That usually means compulsion, yes, especially after a prior oath to obey Rand to T'G.

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"I live to serve, Great Mistress," the woman whispered. "I am instructed to tell you that there is Compulsion in my mind you are to remove."

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"Also," the woman said, handling something forward, wrapped in cloth. "I am to give you this." She removed the cloth, revealing a dull-colored metallic collar, and two bracelets. The Domination Band. Crafted during the Breaking, strikingly similar to the a'dam Semirhage had spent so much time working with.
With this ter'angreal, a male channeler could be controlled. A smile finally broke through Semirhage's fear.
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I've always operated under the assumption that nameless indicated--that SH's power is largely limited to those pledged to the DO. We know that there's some kind of "aura" that marks darkfriends from others, as Fain was able to detect this (yes, his power is different, but it still proves there's a way to make the distinction).

A random spear being burnt up doesn't really speak against that.

This also speaks to my prediction that SH won't be involved in any direct battle with Rand or any other member of the Light. If his power were not limited to darkfriends, he'd be too difficult to kill. It also doesn't preclude him from being an effective spy, as he's already proven multiple times.
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Something had to of altered Elza's mind to push her to find the Domination Band and to later attack the three Aes Sedai holding Semirhage's shield. That usually means compulsion, yes, especially after a prior oath to obey Rand to T'G.
Why?

She had been motivated by a desire to see Rand reach TG alive, so that he could there be defeated by the DO.
Having Rand arrive for the Last Battle in chains, with Semirhage in complete control of him, definitely satisfies that motivation.

So there does not seem to be any contradiction between the Compulsion that Verin laid on her, and her actions in helping free Semirhage and capturing Rand.
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This also speaks to my prediction that SH won't be involved in any direct battle with Rand or any other member of the Light. If his power were not limited to darkfriends, he'd be too difficult to kill. It also doesn't preclude him from being an effective spy, as he's already proven multiple times.
I don't think his power is exactly limited to Darkfriends, that would make him too weak as a part of the Dark One.

I think he's overpowered, even if he is just essentially a True Power channeling Myrdraal who can deny his servants access to the One Power. I also think he is a gift, neatly wrapped and tied with a pretty bow, for Padan Fain.

Most people forget that Padan Fain hates the Dark One more than he hates Rand. He just feels powerless to do anything to really hurt the Dark One. Give the expert Myrdraal torturer a Myrdraal that is the Dark One and it would be like christmass for him.
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Yup, that would be sooo awesome, for Fain to get his hands on Shaidar Haran.
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Yup, that would be sooo awesome, for Fain to get his hands on Shaidar Haran.
Fain killing the Fade is one of my favorite scenes in TGH. (even if it is in a memory/flashback). Fain is a badass.
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I wonder if Fain's Shadar Logoth opposing-the-Shadow power is how he can hurt Fades.
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I wonder if Fain's Shadar Logoth opposing-the-Shadow power is how he can hurt Fades.
Could be. Has anyone ever explained Fain's temporary weakness every morning in TGH? Remember how he would wake up weak and have to reassert his control over the Fade?
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Nah, I just interpreted it as being a struggle, as Padin Fain's powers developed. He has been developing new powers almost every time we have seen him, but he isn't always proficient with them, and doesn't always understand how they work.
 


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