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I've always wondered why there are three Oaths. It seems to me that you could just swear not to tell a lie on the oath rod, and then swear the other two just using words and they would be just as binding without the lifespan cut in half deal.
The Oath against lieing is actually the third oath to be imposed, although it was renamed the First Oath.

IIRC, the Oath against making Weapons is the true "First" Oath.

The Oaths could easily be replaced to "Obey the Bylaws of the White Tower as Published and Ammended Annually" and a single Oath could be modified to suit political and strategic needs on a paeriodic basis.
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The Oaths could easily be replaced to "Obey the Bylaws of the White Tower as Published and Ammended Annually" and a single Oath could be modified to suit political and strategic needs on a paeriodic basis.
What happens to women like Cadsuane who duck out of the Tower for a few decades?
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What happens to women like Cadsuane who duck out of the Tower for a few decades?
It should be easy enough to post the Bylaws world-wide. It isn't necessary for every Aes Sedai to gather at Tar Valon for the Annual Reading of the Bylaws.

As long as an Aes Sedai keeps a mail drop current and checks it once a year, she should be fairly current on Bylaws that are only going to change every century or so.
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Caddy can just check their website: (www.whitetower.tarvalon.gov/bylaws/NE999)
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There is an RJ interview quote I read, where he give a direct example of the difference between a "severing" caused by the One Power versus a "severing" caused by the True Power. The point being that a severing cause the True Power, is unable to be healed using the One Power.
Wrong, from the Budapest Q&A

Q: Can you sever a person from the True Power with One Power?

RJ: Not in the same way. If you try to gentle a man or still a woman who's capable of using the True Power you'd have to use another method.

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Well, the Wise Ones were in Arad Doman then, and Graendal did a large amount of harm within greater Arad Doman. So it's within reason they can notice they effects. Besides Rand did pull in a huge amount of Saidin to destroy that fortress, probably close to what he did at the Cleansing of the Taint.
You should reread chapter 47 "The One He Lost" then:

"But he had a better tool now. The most powerful tool ever created; surely no human could hold more of the One Power than he had when cleansing saidin. Burning Graendal and Natrin´s Barrow away had required only a fraction of what Rand could summon.
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As long as an Aes Sedai keeps a mail drop current and checks it once a year, she should be fairly current on Bylaws that are only going to change every century or so.
What happens if someone makes a mistake, and two of those Bylaws come into conflict with each other?
You might see all AS worldwide drop dead before anyone can gather the Hall to work out a patch, which might be just a bit ... actually, good idea. Let's implement it.
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Caddy can just check their website: (www.whitetower.tarvalon.gov/bylaws/NE999)
ERROR 404 NOT FOUND. NO LAWS EXIST.

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Well clearly, the WT web support people have dropped the ball.
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Well clearly, the WT web support people have dropped the ball.
Shoulda gotten Moghedien instead of Mesaana.
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Wrong, from the Budapest Q&A

Q: Can you sever a person from the True Power with One Power?

RJ: Not in the same way. If you try to gentle a man or still a woman who's capable of using the True Power you'd have to use another method.
That's not the particular question I had in mind, Gokum. The focus was on 'healing' the damage caused, not this Budapest interview which focused on causing individuals to become 'severing', whether from the TP or OP.


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You should reread chapter 47 "The One He Lost" then:

"But he had a better tool now. The most powerful tool ever created; surely no human could hold more of the One Power than he had when cleansing saidin. Burning Graendal and Natrin´s Barrow away had required only a fraction of what Rand could summon.
What percent is "only a fraction"? It's a vague amount, which could be almost any number, be it .0001% to 49% for example. This isn't the first place in tGS that Brandon became vague, far from it.
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What percent is "only a fraction"? It's a vague amount, which could be almost any number, be it .0001% to 49% for example. This isn't the first place in tGS that Brandon became vague, far from it.
Generally speaking (in English at any rate), the phrase "only a fraction" implies a small fraction - that's why the word "only" is used specifically.

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Generally speaking (in English at any rate), the phrase "only a fraction" implies a small fraction - that's why the word "only" is used specifically.

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Well, to use a somewhat similar example in tGS. Egwene "was able to grab a faint trickle of the Power. It was tiny, perhaps the least amount of the Power she'd ever channeled." (pg 622 tGS); yet look at what she was able to do once a novice circle and the most powerful sa'angreal in the White Tower was in her hands.


Rand is first far more powerful as we once saw in the Stone in Tear than Egwene. Rand isn't full of forkroot. Rand is far more skilled and has more power than a year prior. Rand has an sa'angreal that every Chosen dreams of having and fears to death if someone else had it. This is part of the reasons why, I suggested earlier that Asmodean may be alive via a Balefire mechanism if Graendal did the act in Caemlyn.


Of course, Brandon seems to thrown water on this suggestion in SLC interview. I still think Brandon could of been more forthright or have given a better example, say like Bela's own deductive proof example.

Only a faction of almost infinite One Power from the Creator, is still a huge number.
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I think this is exactly the sort of thing Brandon had in mind when he answered the question about whether sa'angreal worked by adding a fixed amount of power to your total ability or multiplying by a factor of your original ability. He says he's pretty sure (but not 100%) that it's the fixed amount.

Incidentally, wasn't there something about this in the Bowl of Winds chapter from Path of Daggers? Elayne holding a weak angreal and thinking "I'm strong with this, but Nynaeve would be even stronger?" Although I guess it doesn't matter if the formula is "angreal reservoir + base ability" or "angreal amplification factor X base ability" since Nynaeve would end up the stronger of the two either way.
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Okay, so did anyone else wonder what Siuan and Leane did when they had to "remove" the Oaths and then reswear them?

We know that Siuan and Leane have not been subject to the Three Oaths since their stillings. But since Egwene required all the sisters to remove the oaths, each sister seemed to express some sort of discomfort at removing the oaths. So apparently Siuan and Leane just had to fake it... and that seems somewhat...unsatisfactory.
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it's always unsatisfying when she has to fake it.
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It is my belief that Moiraine's letter to Thom contains coded instructions. Deciphering it is impossible without having an approximate idea of what sort of coding scheme might be in use.

So, if anyone gets a chance, can someone please ask BS the following question:

"We have heard 'codes' and 'ciphers' mentioned by many characters many times throughout the books. Have you had to do any background research in this area? What particular types of codes and ciphers are used?"

I think that's broad enough that Sanderson will give an answer rather than a RAFO. I am unable to find any indications that RJ or BS have ever been asked this sort of question before (other than RJ commenting that some of his favorite books were about codes and ciphers).

So, if anyone can ask BS that question, I will be happy.
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I have wondered about lots of things that almost certainly are RAFOs. You can judge which ones to ask, since you're more experienced with that than I am. I wouldn't wanna vaste Brandon's (or your) time with the wrong ones to ask.

Men use fire & spirit to weave gateways, but women use only spirit. I assume that that might cause men to have an "gateway size advantage"? Is that correct?

Are there "several" or "a couple" of levels difference between men's and women's strength? Maybe that differs between difference between the strongest ones of each gender, and between the average of each gender (curves aren't symmetrical)?

Are the strength distribution curves for any of the genders symmetrical/asymmetrical? (I think they are probably both asymmetrical)


Oh, maybe I should explain why I wanted to ask the third question - whether both male & female strength distribution curves are symmetrical, from weakest to strongest of their genders - it's mainly because of RJ's blog post (see below). That, and other things, has led me to believe that the average for women is far below half of the strongest woman's strength.

I just thought I should explain myself. Probably a RAFO, but you never know...


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