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That it had a lot to do with the construction of the voice.

And Dav, that's way too vague to say it's real evidence of barrier degradation....not saying that's not what BS was getting at, but that you shouldn't count your chickens....
The Taint helped cause the voice. If not Barrier Degradation, what else could that mean?
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The Taint helped cause the voice. If not Barrier Degradation, what else could that mean?
That the taint helped cause Rand's madness, and therefore the construction of the voice.
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That the taint helped cause Rand's madness, and therefore the construction of the voice.
Meh! That doesnt explain the memories seeping through.
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The Taint might have shaped the way in which the memories expressed themselves. That is: the Pattern made Rand get LTT's memories (and possibly lots of others as well), and because of the Taint he got most of this information from LTT's voice.
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He didn't get much information at all from 'Lews Therin's voice'. Not sure why I have to keep reminding real'ers of this....I've quoted the bit where Rand says that a billion times, not that it isn't extremely obvious that the memories almost always come directly to Rand unless they're about Ilyena.
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He didn't get much information at all from 'Lews Therin's voice'. Not sure why I have to keep reminding real'ers of this....I've quoted the bit where Rand says that a billion times, not that it isn't extremely obvious that the memories almost always come directly to Rand unless they're about Ilyena.
And how are those memories available to him? Taint Degradation.
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And how are those memories available to him? Taint Degradation.
I don't disagree, but Neil and 4A and Seeker and a few others definitely would.
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I don't disagree, but Neil and 4A and Seeker and a few others definitely would.
Then why are you arguing it with me?
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Because the BS quote does not confirm barrier degradation. It's called intellectual honesty...
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Because the BS quote does not confirm barrier degradation. It's called intellectual honesty...
But it is another check in the column that supports it. I'm not saying its definite but there is far more evidence for it than there is for any other explanation. Rand's own POV opinion supports it.
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Unlike some people, my dear, Tam knows how to wait his turn to ask questions.
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I try to ask questions that he will answer, but that will get us closer to an answer. Instead of getting - "that would be a spoiler".

I asked the one I thought he'd answer Isa, but if you can come up with questions that are not "can you tell us if the voice is real", I will see about asking them.

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Wow, nice job Tam. Thanks for sharing too!
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Hehe, well, a lot of people have read the book already, right
But anyway, thanks for asking Hmm, perhaps something about Semirhage quote?
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I'm happy my balefire question got answered...closed the Semi loophole at least.
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If the voice of LTT in Rand's head provided useful information, you wouldn't think Rand would almost continually attempt to mute the voice to a fly's buzz.
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If the voice of LTT in Rand's head provided useful information, you wouldn't think Rand would almost continually attempt to mute the voice to a fly's buzz.
Well, if you think you are going mad and that that "voice" in your head is the result of that madness, you'd probably try to block it out too.
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So he's effectively saying Graendal did it, right? I mean, he eliminated the possibility of BF'ing Graendal back so far that Asmodean comes back to life. He didn't even qualify it to suggest it might not have been Graendal.

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So he's effectively saying Graendal did it, right? I mean, he eliminated the possibility of BF'ing Graendal back so far that Asmodean comes back to life. He didn't even qualify it to suggest it might not have been Graendal.

Nice.
Yeah, I was wondering about that too.
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Like he said, similar to Jordan's response that everyone quotes, he was asking if I was trying to figure out if Graendal killed Asmodean and he wasn't going to fall into that trap, but at the same time he had seen/heard of this theory and wanted to debunk it.

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