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this is priceless coming from you.


I love the snarkiness and slams on Brandon...any lame theory, drivel, nonsense can be explained away later as BRANDON DIDN'T GET IT and I am right, this is wrong, omg what a travesty...and on and on and on.

Whatever. If you all hate it so much, maybe we need a separate forum for folks who just want to bitch about the writing. Or, you could just not bother reading anymore. This is getting tiresome HERE.
Hell, even I agree on that point.
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More power to you though. Ultimately, it is all just entertainment.
An entertainment option which has finally lost a hardback book sale to this long-time fan.
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I don't think i was that vocal about it or even posted much about it. I did mention stuff I didn't like. I still think Brandon does his best.

However, I think there were others who really bitched about it before it was cool.
I think Dom was one of them.

And I do think there was some critisism about the timeline after TGS.
Your loudest criticism was for the split, which I thought was unfounded criticism at the time, considering how most fans felt about the prospect of RJ actually finishing it in one more book after KOD. In retrospect, I can see that there is a lot of filler, and I think they might have tried a little harder to make the structure work with two books.

I have been fairly consistent with my criticism, but I used to hedge it differently. I'm not so sure Brandon does his best at all any more, and I'm also not so sure it's all his fault. I believe it could have been a whole lot better, and I'm not talking about picking a different author. Or anything to do with theories, for that matter.
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My posts about the split was mostly before TGS was published.So I don't really count that

I do think the books could have been better, but that would have meant writing all the books together and than correcting all the errors.
Or take much more time between the books to correc the errors.

However, all options would have negative effects.
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I am thinking that Brandon will be very, very happy when he is done with WoT and he can actually get back to his own work.

I also suspect that he will not be very active in future WoT events after aMoL is published.
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Usually, at best, that results in a book that seems written by a committee
I think this is the heart of the problem. Sanderson is not writing the book. Sure, he's the primary author and has his name on the cover, but Harriet, Maria, et. al, all have a very large hand in what goes into the book. Sure, Harriet was RJ's editor and wife, so she had a larger hand than most, but WoT is still RJ's baby, and he has final say. Not so with Brandon. Anyone who has worked on a committee knows that a committee is a sure fire way to guarantee mediocrity.

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In retrospect, I can see that there is a lot of filler, and I think they might have tried a little harder to make the structure work with two books.
Disagree.

There are reasons for very single Robert Jordan WoT Chapter, just as Brandon Sanderson has sought to do the same thing.

What seems to be filler to some readers, is not filler, how ever error ridden it happens to be.


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I have been fairly consistent with my criticism, but I used to hedge it differently. I'm not so sure Brandon does his best at all any more, and I'm also not so sure it's all his fault. I believe it could have been a whole lot better, and I'm not talking about picking a different author. Or anything to do with theories, for that matter.
On point one, "The Chosen One" hands and mind have been wandering elsewhere: Literary polyandry.

On point two, its partially a question of methodology and talent. His failure of methodology insight has corrupted his thousands of hours of persistent effort. Related he publicly stated, he could not write in the style of prose original author. That's a separate talent limitation, and should have been a red flag to Harriet McDougal. Why? It shows an underlining limitation of understanding how Robert Jordan structured his master narrative.

"The Chosen One" did not understand the power of prose, as Robert Jordan did and E.O. Wilson does.
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"The Chosen One" hands and mind have been wandering elsewhere: Literary polyandry.
I wouldn't blame him entirely for that; he was enthusiastically encouraged to publish more books by Tom Doherty. Of course, Brandon had to take breaks from writing WoT so he didn't go crazy, but I tend to think they went a bit overboard with the publishing during this time period.
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I haven't thought of that aspect, but writing in a committee would be very crippling in many ways... Yet, my mind has instead wandered in the other direction. That perhaps Harriet has been uninspired and a bit lost and not putting in her best effort. Perhaps feeling that she can't blame Brandon too much, thinking he does his best, and not expecting RJ quality from him, and so letting things pass... I'm thinking she maybe should've gone harder at Brandon, and that that would have been helping him. Now she may have been backing off, letting him do his thing and not stopping things like Hinderstap. Course I have no idea, but that is the direction I think it went. A new situation for all involved. For this project Brandon needed to listen to critical examination. Though not from bitching fans of course, but from people like Harriet and a few close WoT experts.
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Well, sheeeeet. Maybe Harriet should just sell the Wheel of Time to Disney.
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I'm thinking she maybe should've gone harder at Brandon, and that that would have been helping him. Now she may have been backing off, letting him do his thing and not stopping things like Hinderstap.

Hinderstap is consistent with Robert Jordan master narrative.

Souls are falling to Earth. From where? The TAR.

What's a literary clue?
Nightlily's owner's name, given in KoD Chapter 1: Nemaris.
(Nemaris is a wordplay on the Greek deity Nemesis. Nyx is wordplay for Nynaeve al'Meara character. Just as Nyn is a Hebrew name for Nynaeve al'Meara.)

Why? The Dark One arrives in the TAR first. How? All-Time exists in the TAR. Birgitte even claims this at Falme. However a problem exists, the Dark One's invasion of Earth's TAR, will transform a TAR to a timeless dreamless place.

It's a choice of death in the TAR, or a chance at life on Earth for dead souls. Even Ogier souls, as their Steddings are tied to Earth's very being.


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How to flee Earth, without Dreaming and or Channeling saidar, saidin & the True Power?


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Use the Tinker's Lost Song, to operate a Portal Stone to flee to a new World--a new Dream.
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yet again it's proven that no good deed goes unpunished.

While we at TL highly appreciate and support free thought and free speech, please take into account that this is a site dedicated to the discussion and fandom of the Wheel of Time books. Yes, sometimes we're not happy about certain aspects of the books (most frequently when a nifty theory gets obliterated) and certainly everyone has a right to their opinion; but please keep the negativity in perspective with the big picture? Brandon Sanderson has taken time out of his own career to finish the work of Robert Jordan. He's doing a remarkably good job stepping into the mind and world of another person. If you think you can do better, fine: you're welcome to write your own Fantasy series, and when you're at #1 on the Times list you can come back and tell us "I told you so". Until then, please stop the virulent bitching?
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If you think you can do better, fine: you're welcome to write your own Fantasy series, and when you're at #1 on the Times list you can come back and tell us "I told you so".
Almost worth it, just to hear the reactions. But it would too much hard work for only a momentary pleasure, which is of course the only reason why I don't do this.
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When a person sees a series they have enjoyed for 20 plus years reduced in quality. Its bothersome, especially when a person "knows" they could have done much better.

Robert Jordan once had a similar feeling to other authors prior works, before becoming an bestselling author. It's not an unique observation.
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Yes, sometimes we're not happy about certain aspects of the books (most frequently when a nifty theory gets obliterated) and certainly everyone has a right to their opinion; but please keep the negativity in perspective with the big picture? Brandon Sanderson has taken time out of his own career to finish the work of Robert Jordan.
Are you claiming B.S. decided to write three WoT book out of the goodness of his heart for five years? For Charity?


Disagree. B.S. market of readers was much much smaller before taking Harriet's offer. B.S isn't clueless, he knew by writing WoT books it would increase his sales of Mistborn, Warbreaker and other prior released books. He even stated all his previous books, hit sales highs upon The Gathering Storm's release. Brandon is as much a Capitalist as a Writer. (He's stated this repeatedly in the past.)

How do you think Brandon was able to purchase a bigger house, after TGS? Harriet's contract pushed his income to a new level.

I'm wish Brandon well in his writing career. However I stand by my viewpoint, he should not have been chosen by Harriet to finish the WoT series.
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You want an essay to answer your quotation's subject?

Your above quotation is as important to AMoL book, as this earlier Verin's quotation spoken to Egwene al'Vere:


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(1) Truth burns and sears. (2) Hope fails before truth. (3) A lie is our shield. (4) Who can stand against the Heart of the Dark? (5) Who can face the Betrayer of Hope?

The Dragon Reborn, Chapter 21 'A World of Dreams'

(1)(2)

The first two lines setup plot arcs. Rand will die, before the true blind Dragon soul saves his People. Two sunsets in a day, one by Rand/Ishamael dual faced being, the second by Warder Valan Luca. Hope is lost between the two sunsets in a day.


(3)

The third line, setups marriage(s). Who's marriage(s)?
  • Tenobia si Bashere Kazadi, the Shield of the North.
  • Matrim Cauthon, as Artur Hawking was known as "the Shield" (LoC, Chapter 22).
  • Siuan, "shield of the Amyrlin's stole".
  • Logain.

    Each will wed in AMoL book.
    To shorten this thread, I haven't listed the many other 'Shields' included in this grand lie, who will wed soon.


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Who is the "Heart of the Dark"?

Ishamael, who is now known as Moridin (In Old Tongue it means, Death).

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Robert Jordan was tricky with the true identity of who the "Betrayer of Hope" is. It is NOT Ishamael. Ishamael's memories and knowledge is limited and possesses errors, see TPoD Prologue--Moridin POV.

Lews Therin's memories describe the 'Destroyer of Hope' being Sammael, not Ishamael or Moridin. What did Sammael do? Betray. Create a lost of Hope. Who is Sammael is now known as? 'The Creature' as of ToM book.

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The Fires of Heaven, Chapter 44 "The Lessor Sadness"-- Rand al'Thor point of view, with Asmodean, Lan, Sulin.

Yes in a way Padan Fain Mordeth Sammael is a Hero. Its being fights against the Dark One.

Sammael is consistent in betraying a side in every Age. Being it, the Light or the Dark. He seeks independence. He seeks 'the Power'. He seeks control over his own Dreams. He seeks his own Dreams, his own Creation.

Note: Padan Fain Sammael Mordeth concept of 'The Power' is as the Aelfinn and Eelfinn define 'the Power' to Matrim Cauthon previously.
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You want an essay to answer your quotation's subject?

Your above quotation is as important to AMoL book, as this earlier Verin's quotation spoken to Egwene al'Vere:





(1)(2)

The first two lines setup plot arcs. Rand will die, before the true blind Dragon soul saves his People. Two sunsets in a day, one by Rand/Ishamael dual faced being, the second by Warder Valan Luca. Hope is lost between the two sunsets in a day.


(3)

The third line, setups marriage(s). Who's marriage(s)?
  • Tenobia si Bashere Kazadi, the Shield of the North.
  • Matrim Cauthon, as Artur Hawking was known as "the Shield" (LoC, Chapter 22).
  • Siuan, "shield of the Amyrlin's stole".
  • Logain.

    Each will wed in AMoL book.
    To shorten this thread, I haven't listed the many other 'Shields' included in this grand lie, who will wed soon.


(4)

Who is the "Heart of the Dark"?

Ishamael, who is now known as Moridin (In Old Tongue it means, Death).




(5)

Robert Jordan was tricky with the true identity of who the "Betrayer of Hope" is. It is NOT Ishamael. Ishamael's memories and knowledge is limited and possesses errors, see TPoD Prologue--Moridin POV.

Lews Therin's memories describe the 'Destroyer of Hope' being Sammael, not Ishamael or Moridin. What did Sammael do? Betray. Create a lost of Hope. Who is Sammael is now known as? 'The Creature' as of ToM book.




Yes in a way Padan Fain Mordeth Sammael is a Hero. Its being fights against the Dark One.

Sammael is consistent in betraying a side in every Age. Being it, the Light or the Dark. He seeks independence. He seeks 'the Power'. He seeks control over his own Dreams. He seeks his own Dreams, his own Creation.

Note: Padan Fain Sammael Mordeth concept of 'The Power' is as the Aelfinn and Eelfinn define 'the Power' to Matrim Cauthon previously.
Do people typically ignore these posts? Valan Luca as a warder? I thought he was a hero of the horn or some nonesense? Just like Mat has been reborn as Oliver..........
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Do people typically ignore these posts? Valan Luca as a warder? I thought he was a hero of the horn or some nonesense? Just like Mat has been reborn as Oliver..........
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I'm wish Brandon well in his writing career. However I stand by my viewpoint, he should not have been chosen by Harriet to finish the WoT series.
Could you perhaps name some better candidates instead?
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