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Old 11-05-2010, 09:00 PM
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As cool as it would be to have Perrin be able to throw his hammer and have it mystically return to him, I think this would be a little cheesy as far as plot devices go. However, I could see him doing something like this in T'A'R; throwing his hammer, and having it return to him boomerang style. In the waking world, however, I think it is simply a nigh indestructible, Shadowspawn burning, Darkhound killing, super Blacksmith forging megahammer.
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Power-wrought weapons have always had that effect against Shadowspawn.
No they have not.

They have sent up showers of blue sparks when coming into contact with shadow-wrought weapons. That is not the same thing. Can you please provide me a single example of any power-wrought items sizzling, smoking, or flaming up when they come in contact with the flesh of a shadowspawn?
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No they have not.

They have sent up showers of blue sparks when coming into contact with shadow-wrought weapons. That is not the same thing. Can you please provide me a single example of any power-wrought items sizzling, smoking, or flaming up when they come in contact with the flesh of a shadowspawn?
As far as I know, the only weapons that have shown a similar ability are those wielded by the occasional Darkfriend (Noble looking woman in tEotW for one).
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As far as I know, the only weapons that have shown a similar ability are those wielded by the occasional Darkfriend (Noble looking woman in tEotW for one).
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They have sent up showers of blue sparks when coming into contact with shadow-wrought weapons. That is not the same thing. Can you please provide me a single example of any power-wrought items sizzling, smoking, or flaming up when they come in contact with the flesh of a shadowspawn?
It wasn't power wrought, and I'm really only bringing this up to be snarky, but Moiraine's switch in the early books left burns on Trollocs. I've always wondered how she did that. We haven't seen anything like it since.
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It wasn't power wrought, and I'm really only bringing this up to be snarky, but Moiraine's switch in the early books left burns on Trollocs. I've always wondered how she did that. We haven't seen anything like it since.
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I loved the scene of Perrin's hammer being forged, while at the same time I was thinking "Perrin's making a ter'angreal!? WTF?!". It was awesome that Perrin could use his ta'vereness to help forge his ter'angreal hammer.

But then he used it in battle... and it caused a little bit of burning. That was about the largest anticlimatic fail ever.

There was a huge build up with a both the Male and Female halves of the Power being used in the forging of this AMAZING WEAPON, which is so great it needs a name (I did roll my eyes at that though and think "this had better do something awesome to justify naming it"). And then? Well it's slightly better than the hammer Perrin destroyed in the making of the new hammer, but only slightly.

I propose renaming Perrin's hammer to something more obviously appropriate to the failure that it is. I invite suggestions from TLers. Perhaps: Fail-hammer? Hammer-of-suckfulness? Nutcracker? Hammer of pointlessness? Weapon of anticlimax? Quarter Pounder?

If and when BS reveals a yet-unseen-awesome function of the hammer I will revert to using its real name, but such a name has to be earned. Until then I am going to call it by a more appropriate name indicating its general failure.
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I'm assuming it will have amazing ability against darkhounds...hoping, a lot.
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I loved the scene of Perrin's hammer being forged, while at the same time I was thinking "Perrin's making a ter'angreal!? WTF?!". It was awesome that Perrin could use his ta'vereness to help forge his ter'angreal hammer.

But then he used it in battle... and it caused a little bit of burning. That was about the largest anticlimatic fail ever.
I don't know why you thought it was a ter'angeal. It's very clearly just a One-Power forged weapon like the heron marked blades that Rand has owned (Tam's and King Laman's). Neither of those blades has special properties except for never needing to be sharpened and being sharp enough to cut through mail.

No reason to think that a One-Power forged hammer will have any special properties, though I imagine they'll be particularly effective against higher classes of Shadowspan.
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I like to think it will offer some protection from the One Power or the True Power or both.
I can probably also hammer the shadow out of somebody.
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I can't remember if we've started discussing this already, but I thought I'd hide the topic in the title.

Perrin's Hammer

I have a hard time believing it won't do more than just well...what it did. Do you think it will have any other abilities currently unknown to us? Any initial ideas/predictions on this?
It will have the ability to scare the hell outta any Seanchan who see it.
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I don't know why you thought it was a ter'angeal. It's very clearly just a One-Power forged weapon like the heron marked blades that Rand has owned (Tam's and King Laman's). Neither of those blades has special properties except for never needing to be sharpened and being sharp enough to cut through mail.

No reason to think that a One-Power forged hammer will have any special properties, though I imagine they'll be particularly effective against higher classes of Shadowspan.

Try reading the book again.
Three reasons is it clearly a ter'angreal and not just a normal power-forged weapon:
1) Later when Neald tries to make more weapons he finds he can make more power-forged weapons and does so, but he can't work out how to duplicate the special things he did with Perrin's hammer. Perrin's hammer is here contrasted to normal power-forged weapons.
2) When Perrin uses his hammer in battle it does not behave like a normal power-forged weapon, but starts burning the Trollocs slightly.
3) While Neald was making it, Perrin felt his emotions going into the hammer giving the hammer some level of awareness... that is hardly normal for just power forging a weapon, and it immediately tells the reader he is making a ter'angreal not just a hard hammer.
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Try reading the book again.
Three reasons is it clearly a ter'angreal and not just a normal power-forged weapon:
1) Later when Neald tries to make more weapons he finds he can make more power-forged weapons and does so, but he can't work out how to duplicate the special things he did with Perrin's hammer. Perrin's hammer is here contrasted to normal power-forged weapons.
2) When Perrin uses his hammer in battle it does not behave like a normal power-forged weapon, but starts burning the Trollocs slightly.
3) While Neald was making it, Perrin felt his emotions going into the hammer giving the hammer some level of awareness... that is hardly normal for just power forging a weapon, and it immediately tells the reader he is making a ter'angreal not just a hard hammer.

It does not necessarily have to be a terangreal. It was made in a special ta'veren moment, and Perrin poured himself into it.It may have special qualities deriving from this.
In that it would be even more rare than a terangreal. It would be an unique piece of work.
Terangreal actively use the power and channelers usually seem to realize that something is a TA, even if they don't understand its function.


A curious note, now that Galad is following Perrin's orders. The sigil of House Mantear is a silver anvil
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It does not necessarily have to be a terangreal. It was made in a special ta'veren moment, and Perrin poured himself into it.It may have special qualities deriving from this.
In that it would be even more rare than a terangreal. It would be an unique piece of work.
Terangreal actively use the power and channelers usually seem to realize that something is a TA, even if they don't understand its function.
Exactly. A ter'angeal (whether or not it needs the One Power to activate it) actively use the One Power and do something. As of yet all we've seen Perrin's hammer do is light up Trollocs when he smashes them.

Now it's possible it might be something more, given the whole Thor thing, but I really don't think there's concrete evidence to suggest that. I mean if it did something more the whole battle where Perrin pulled Galad's bacon out of the fire would've given it ample opportunity to show it. [/quote]


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Well, we've already seen it sizzling when he plays whack-a-mole with shadowspawn. Considering he named it Mjolnir, I was kinda hoping for some lightening and sparks.
this made me laugh out loud for like five minutes-well ok I snickered at the image in my head for minutes.
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I expect that Perrin's hammer will harm Darkhounds and likely other shadow spawn that are immune to conventional weapons. With his production of so many power wrought weapons, Perrin's whole army will excel at fighting shadow spawn.
I am supposing as others have that it will perhaps have some special properties against Darkhounds. They made such a to do about that big pack running around- oh that lead me to thoughts about the Broken Wolf- could the Broken Wolf be Hopper?
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Much is made of the fact that that the hammer is a tool and a weapon. I'm thinking Perrin is going to be a part of breaking the seals and or forging the resealing of the bore.

I thought Perrin saw Galad's signet ring in the wolf dream and it was a dagger with wings. That doesn't jive with the anvil. Thoughts?
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The smith's hammer from TDR was both a tool and a weapon. A four-foot-long warhammer... perhaps a little less so.

I do like the idea that Mjollnir will be used to destroy the seals, though.
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It will have the ability to scare the hell outta any Seanchan who see it.
the Seanchan prophecy said that "When the Wolf King carries the hammer, thus are the final days known. [...]" (KoD, ch 4) Perrin is wearing the hammer, but the Seanchan know TG is knocking on the door. So I don't expect anything much from this angle.



The hammer was made by a smith-ta'veren being surrounded by male and female channelers working together on the weaves. Throw in a super-ta'verenmoment in which he truely accepted himself in a position of leadership and responcibility and gave Neald the 'feel' of the right weaves. Personally I don't it will happen again, Perrin has accepted himself.

If you look closely the smitting of the hammer represents the 'smitting' of Perrin throughout the story. First having various parts he didn't understand (just collecting and hammering various parts), knowing his various sides about himself but not accepting (resisting) himself (he didn't know what he was making, eventhough he was smitting), the process of accepting who he is and his position in the world (realising what he was making), and fully accepted he is a leader and has the 'tools' for the job (and finishing the hammer).

I don't know what THE HAMMER can or can not do. 'Returning' sounds indeed a bit cheesy. I like the idea of 'converting' Darkhounds back to wolves, but I don't expect it. It might turn them back to wolves the moment they die by the hammer.
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Just bring able to kill Darkhounds would be a bit of a bonus. So far, balefire is really the best way of doing it. Also something else I noticed last night, the Hammer is in someway tied to Perrin's emotions or at least responds in some way to him.

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"I'm going anyway," Perrin said. "Jori, go get the Two Rivers men and the Asha'man. I'll need them to soften the Trollocs for my charge." He looked down again. Memories of the Two Rivers flooded his mind. Blood. Death. Mah'alleinir grew warmer in his fist. "I won't leave them to it, Gallenne. Not even them. Will you join me?"
What effect that will have, I don't know. Perhaps it only sears Shadowspawn now, but it might do more if he losses himself in a berserker rage or something, like say, when confronting Darkhounds or, perhaps, Shaidar Haran.
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