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Social Security Institute Launches the National Obamacare Opt Out (NOOO!) Registry

Washington, DC (PRWEB) June 25, 2009 -- Today, The Social Security Institute (SSI) announces the launch of the National ObamaCare Opt Out (NOOO!) Registry a patient-centered movement designed to allow individuals to demand that Congress not force them to join a national healthcare system, nor to purchase healthcare coverage against their will. This online platform, located at http://www.patientoptout.com, is modeled after the National Do Not Call Registry, and will allow individuals to sign up on the National ObamaCare Opt Out Registry.

SSI president Lawrence A. Hunter said, "We have created this Web 2.0 platform to allow people across the country to express their disapproval of President Obama's decision to embrace an individual mandate that would prevent anyone from opting out of mandatory health coverage under his national healthcare system. This decision is a complete reversal from what he said during the campaign in criticizing Hillary Clinton's healthcare reform proposal. It is now crystal clear that 'ObamaCare' has morphed into 'HillaryCare' version 2.0, complete with huge deficits, rationing treatment and coercive mandates."

"We intend to give the National ObamaCare Opt Out platform away free to any organization that desires to put it on their web site. We will help organizations reach out to their members and provide them an opportunity to channel their anger and disapproval at Obama's flip flop, an un-American exercise of raw power by the federal government to dragoon everyone into a mandatory federal healthcare program. When I heard the news that President Obama had reneged on his stated opposition to an individual mandate, I thought immediately of the New York Post headline after President George Herbert Walker Bush reneged on his no-new-taxes pledge: 'Read My Lips: I Lied.'"

President Obama told ABC News that, "We have to have healthy people not opt out of the system." According to Hunter, "The NOOO! Registry is our way of saying, 'NO Mr. President, enough is enough. You will not takeover our healthcare too.'"

Architect of the National ObamaCare Opt Out movement, Political Media Inc. president Larry Ward says the national opt out movement has already received widespread attention all over the U.S. "We wanted to create a voice for individual liberty. The NOOO! Registry pits the government mandate against the individual American."

Ward says that his idea is not confined to conservative websites and bloggers. "The response to the idea of a national opt out plan has been overwhelming, and we've received support from people on both sides of the political spectrum. In my opinion, it's not an issue of right or left, it's a matter of right or wrong."

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The Social Security Institute (SSI) is a national, 501(c)(4) non-profit, non-partisan seniors' advocacy organization working to promote the retirement security of today's seniors and the seniors of tomorrow. SSI's top policy priorities are to stop the raid on the Social Security Trust Funds, prevent cuts to Social Security and Medicare benefits, and protect seniors from health care rationing and other limitations on their access to health care. (http://socialsecurityinstitute.com)
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I'm sorry. I missed when Obama announced that his national healthcare plan was mandatory. Help me out?
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I'm sorry. I missed when Obama announced that his national healthcare plan was mandatory. Help me out?
I believe the idea behind national healthcare is that it is for everyone...
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Obama hasn't yet implemented anything. And it hasn't yet been declared mandatory.
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That says it all to me.
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I believe the idea behind national healthcare is that it is for everyone...
Available for everyone, yes, but I haven't seen anything to even remotely suggest that it's planned to be mandatory.

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That says it all to me.
I must be incredibly brain-dead today. What does SSI have to do with this?
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I must be incredibly brain-dead today. What does SSI have to do with this?
Um... Did you read the article?
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Um... Did you read the article?
I did. *sigh* Sorry, totally not focusing today.

Edit: OK, thinking straight now. I still don't see why Neilbert's quote "says it all". I think that was my original question, I just didn't state it that way. Sorry.
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I believe he was implying bias, but I'm not sure on what basis he is making that claim. Usually non-profit and non-partisan imply exactly the opposite.
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Especially when you consider that they are supposedly "working to promote the retirement security of today's seniors and the seniors of tomorrow." Actually, I'm completely unsure if this "opt out" list is good or bad for the seniors. Medicare isn't something you can opt out of - though I think there are different parts you can take or not take. But frankly it confuses the hell out of me.
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Available for everyone, yes, but I haven't seen anything to even remotely suggest that it's planned to be mandatory.
might be just me having had it my whole life, but why would anyone not want it? isn't the alternative paying for everything yourself?
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might be just me having had it my whole life, but why would anyone not want it? isn't the alternative paying for everything yourself?
People are (irrationally) upset because they think that Obama's national plan will become mandatory (why they think this, I have no idea). The problem with the idea of it being mandatory is that right now you can shop around for better coverage. It's like car insurance. You can get a plan that has a lower monthly premium but covers less stuff (say, meds and doctors visits, but not ER visits).

And then there are some people for whom insurance isn't worth it. If you're very healthy and you never have to go to the doctor, then you're paying thousands of dollars a year for something that you're not using. Then there are people who make enough money that paying the premium for 12 months is more expensive than paying out-of-pocket for the same time that year.

Also, for the record, I'm very against the idea of any health plan being mandatory, and I hope it fails if that's the case.
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Healthcare is never worth it when you're healthy and private healthcare tends to Fvck you over when you do actually get sick anyway. At least if it were gov't backed, they might not be able to drop you at the first sign of a costly medical issue.
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I believe he was implying bias, but I'm not sure on what basis he is making that claim. Usually non-profit and non-partisan imply exactly the opposite.
There are other biases than political. American society is incredibly ageist, and I'm not just talking about things like driving/drinking age requirements.

Seniors just want to maintain their quality of life at the expense of everyone else, as usual. Only problem is that the reaper always wins in the end, so there are some rather severe diminishing returns when you spend all your money on the elderly.

Reading the website it's just anti single payer, surprise surprise.
 

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