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Old 07-23-2009, 04:37 PM
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Default Guess I need to reintroduce too

Light it has been ages since I have been here.
too much other stuff to do ahum (work, kid, WII)

well Lurky is back, I even found Zae's chat thanks to Tru (thanks dear) so y'all will be seeing / hearing more of me coming time.

Well what has changed for me lately
I have a new working place, HOME, yes yes HOME. I work tue-thu from my own sweet little cubbyhole in the world, my attic. Boy does that save time woohoo.

I have been buying and reading a ridiculous amount of books, had to after seeing PD's stuffed shelves (is envy a sin in randland? ) Now I have started a reread and randomly started in POD , rest has been read a million times by now so I skipped those. halfway through WH by now and yup the pace is back to a crawl again .

ah you know what I will just let the Hijackers take over the thread now
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Old 07-24-2009, 02:27 AM
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is envy a sin in randland?
Yes, it is. It is the sin which caused Demandred's downfall, according to the BWB:
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Old 07-24-2009, 06:51 AM
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You're using Demandred as proof when Be'lal's name actually means Envious?

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Old 07-24-2009, 07:35 AM
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You're using Demandred as proof when Be'lal's name actually means Envious?
Should I have left you no reason to carp at all?
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Old 07-24-2009, 07:44 AM
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Old 07-24-2009, 09:02 AM
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To be honest, I'd expected Terez to weigh in by now, but apparently she's asleep or something.
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Let's not forget Lanfear's envy of Ilyena.
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And there is Asmodean's envy of Britney Spears. True, she isn't mentioned by name, but which other artist could possibly eclipse him?
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Apparently, all the ones he killed.
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You're using Demandred as proof when Be'lal's name actually means Envious?

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Yes, it is. It is the sin which caused Demandred's downfall, according to the BWB:

okay envy causes downfall I get that

but is it a SIN?

downfall = punishment? therefore envy = sin?
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okay envy causes downfall I get that

but is it a SIN?

downfall = punishment? therefore envy = sin?
No, no, no. Downfall=sin, so "that which causes downfall"="one particular sin".
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No, no, no. Downfall=sin, so "that which causes downfall"="one particular sin".
Okay Gonzo, you lost me, it may be my english, but downfall=sin? downfall is something that happens to you due to something or someone, sin is something you do yourself. Downfall is a result or a consequence, sin is a cause or action, so downfall cannot be a sin.

but the question more to the point is, does downfal be a punishment for committing a sin? In randland being the punishment for a sin coming from the wheel of time (or creator) Or a sin against the DO maybe...?
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No, the sin was falling down because of that envy, or perhaps just the being too envious. May not be the best english. However, "downfalling because of envy" doesn't seem any better.

In the same way, Lanfear's sin, which made her to turn to the Shadow, was jealousy. Mesaaana's sin was being a bad researcher.
Ishamael, obviously, was entirely without sin. He turned to the Shadow for purely philosophical reasons. And because he was barking mad, but that wasn't a hindrance either as philosopher or as Nae'blis.
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